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With regards to dense cover, what is the consensus on if you’re firing through multiple dense covers? Say for instance two separate clumps of trees are between your unit and another. You have LOS and it passes through both terrain features. Is it -1 to hit or -2 to hit in that case?

Or say a clump of trees is in front of ruined wall with enemy units behind it (both have dense cover trait). If you still have LOS do they receive a minus -1 or -2 to hit?

It does not work like that I think. Ai think you either get the benefit of the rule or you do not.

The easiest way to get a double bonus if possible would probably be a psykick power (SW Storm Caller) +terrain. And nobody plays it like they stack.

Note thought that light, heavy and dence can all be applied.

You can stack save modifiers, but not to hit. See the core rules.

To hit modifiers can stack but they cap at -1

Dense cover only checks if "feature with this trait"(last part of the first sentence) is between the firer and the target. Even if there are ten separate rows of trees in-between, you only suffer -1 to hit once.

Modifiers to dice rolls are cumulative. If there are ten woods between shooter and target it would be -10 to hit. Any positive modifiers would then be added, and then, if the result is more than +1/-1, its capped at +1/-1.

 p5freak wrote:
Modifiers to dice rolls are cumulative. If there are ten woods between shooter and target it would be -10 to hit. Any positive modifiers would then be added, and then, if the result is more than +1/-1, its capped at +1/-1.

Dense applies the modifier exactly once, no matter if you cross one or ten dense terrain pieces. I even quoted the rule.

Considering how much time you spend on YMDC, you should at least the read the rules before you start typing yet another post that is completely wrong.

As above. It has a very common mechanic which is effectively "one or more instances of condition fulfilled, proc benefit once"
This is one of those. Ten woods is -1 on the stack, same as one wood. Or one thousand.

You only consider the trait on the terrain piece granting the model(s) 'benefit of cover'.

Terrain traits that come into play when a model is within range of it by themselves do not inherently give out bonuses/penalties without a model interacting with it.

There are rare instances that come up when you have two terrain pieces too close to each other and a model happens to be within range of two or more terrain pieces. In general, these cases are highly engineered by the player that placed them pregame and should be called out on at that time to avoid possible 'wELl AcKTUallY tHe BooK dOEsnT SaY i caNt" situations. I haven't been keeping up recently but I believe there was a supplement that goes in more detail regarding terrain placements (min. distance between terrain).

i didnt see where the rule was quoted at all.

Since 8th edition, when dense was introduced, every instance of dense applied a -1 to hit.

When did it get changed?

BRB wrote:Dense Cover
If this terrain feature is at least 3" in height, then subtract 1 from the hit roll when resolving an attack with a ranged weapon unless you can draw straight lines, 1mm in thickness, to every part of at least one model’s base (or hull) in the target unit from a single point on the attacking model's base (or hull) without any of those lines passing over or through any part of any terrain feature with this trait. Models that are on or within an Area Terrain feature with this trait do not suffer this penalty if the only terrain feature these lines pass over or through is the terrain feature that the attacking model is on or within. Models within 3" of an Obstacle terrain feature with this trait do not suffer this penalty if the only terrain feature these lines pass over or through is the terrain feature that the attacking model is within 3" of. The height of a terrain feature is measured from the highest point on that terrain feature.

The rule appears to be attached to the terrain piece itself, so if a shooting unit draws LoS across two or more pieces of dense terrain, I can't see anything in the rule that caps it at -1 to hit, it should be -1 to hit per piece of terrain. The segment quoted by Jidmah above only applies to how to avoid a penalty at all (no pieces in the path of the shot), which is there because this is one of only two terrain rules (along with obscuring terrain) that do not require any of the involved units to "be receiving the benefits of cover" under the general terrain rules, hence an explainer.

Of course, this only comes into play if there are positive modifiers too, because the core rules cap the hit modifier at -1 after modifiers are tallied, as already mentioned.

If you interpret it like that, you would automatically receive -1 to hit for every dense terrain piece on the table, no matter where it is located. This is clearly not the case.

You draw the line, and you get -1 to hit unless the line does not go across any dense terrain and that's it.

Please note that it is jot enough to draw a line of sight over dence terrain. You also need to get the benefit of cover to get the dence terrain bonuses. While not impossible it is very difficult without beeing infantry, swarm or the last category.

Unless I have been playing it very wrong long.

 Niiai wrote:
Please note that it is jot enough to draw a line of sight over dence terrain. You also need to get the benefit of cover to get the dence terrain bonuses. While not impossible it is very difficult without beeing infantry, swarm or the last category.

Unless I have been playing it very wrong long.

You have been playing this wrong. Dense cover works for every unit, except AIRCRAFT, and units with 18+ wounds. And you dont need to get the benefit of cover.

The issue mostly comes from people thinking the unit getting shot at is somehow benefitting from a -1 to hit them buff.

In actuallity, its the shooting unit thats receiving a -1 to hit debuff if their firing line cross's dense terrain.

When you get that straight, its easy to understand how it stacks per piece.

 Jidmah wrote:
If you interpret it like that, you would automatically receive -1 to hit for every dense terrain piece on the table, no matter where it is located. This is clearly not the case.

How are you arriving at that conclusion? You still need to draw LoS through the Dense terrain, as noted in the rules, for it to have any effect.

Slipspace wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you interpret it like that, you would automatically receive -1 to hit for every dense terrain piece on the table, no matter where it is located. This is clearly not the case.

How are you arriving at that conclusion? You still need to draw LoS through the Dense terrain, as noted in the rules, for it to have any effect.

The rule says it applies the modifier if the line passes (exact quote) "over or through any part of any terrain feature with this trait". If you interpret it as applying the modifier once for every terrain piece with the dense trait, the condition would be satisfied for all dense terrain pieces as long as at least one of them has the line going over or through it.

The wording is a bit weird but i just chalk that up to GW editors. It probably translates differenty in other languages.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
The wording is a bit weird but i just chalk that up to GW editors. It probably translates differenty in other languages.

I haven't owned a single German GW product since 5th, but considering how horrible translations for their products tend to be, I wouldn't even bother checking. In my experience it's more likely to be incorrectly translated and will add to confusion than to help with clarity.

 Jidmah wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you interpret it like that, you would automatically receive -1 to hit for every dense terrain piece on the table, no matter where it is located. This is clearly not the case.

How are you arriving at that conclusion? You still need to draw LoS through the Dense terrain, as noted in the rules, for it to have any effect.

The rule says it applies the modifier if the line passes (exact quote) "over or through any part of any terrain feature with this trait". If you interpret it as applying the modifier once for every terrain piece with the dense trait, the condition would be satisfied for all dense terrain pieces as long as at least one of them has the line going over or through it.

That's incorrect. The player draws the lines between the attacking and target unit. Only the features the lines pass over are taken into account. I still don't see how you can arrive at the conclusion this would include terrain behind the firing unit with respect to the target unit.

Slipspace wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
If you interpret it like that, you would automatically receive -1 to hit for every dense terrain piece on the table, no matter where it is located. This is clearly not the case.

How are you arriving at that conclusion? You still need to draw LoS through the Dense terrain, as noted in the rules, for it to have any effect.

The rule says it applies the modifier if the line passes (exact quote) "over or through any part of any terrain feature with this trait". If you interpret it as applying the modifier once for every terrain piece with the dense trait, the condition would be satisfied for all dense terrain pieces as long as at least one of them has the line going over or through it.

That's incorrect. The player draws the lines between the attacking and target unit. Only the features the lines pass over are taken into account. I still don't see how you can arrive at the conclusion this would include terrain behind the firing unit with respect to the target unit.

Note that I do agree with you, I'm just explaining why I think the stacking dense terrain does not work.

Szenario: Unit A is shooting unit B. There are 4 terrain pieces O, P, Q and R with the "dense" trait on the table, O and P are in between A and B, Q and R are not.

Interpretation 1: Dense Cover is checked once per terrain piece.
Check for O - draw line from A to B. Does the line pass over any terrain features with this trait? Yes. It passes over O and P, resulting in -1 to hit
Check for P - draw line from A to B. Does the line pass over any terrain features with this trait? Yes. It passes over O and P, resulting in -1 to hit
Check for Q - draw line from A to B. Does the line pass over any terrain features with this trait? Yes. It passes over O and P, resulting in -1 to hit
Check for R - draw line from A to B. Does the line pass over any terrain features with this trait? Yes. It passes over O and P, resulting in -1 to hit
Total: -4 to hit (obviously capped at -1, but reduces positive modifiers).

Interpretation 2: Dense Cover is checked once
Check for A shooting B - draw line from A to B. Does the line pass over any terrain features with this trait? Yes. It passes over O and P, resulting in -1 to hit
Total: -1 to hit.

There is no interpretation supporting a total of -2 to hit for crossing O and P but not Q and R (once again, capped at -1).

While you could possibly argue that RAW interpretation 1 is correct, in my opinion it's clearly nonsense.

While i definately do not agree that you recieve a -1 to hit from every dense piece on the table just for shooting over one piece, you should be recieving multiple instances of -1 to hit from every piece of dense you shoot through.

Is that just wishful thinking, or do you have any rules to back that up?