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Do you think that they will release it as 1 box and then the ability to add different fleets to the board or do you think they will copy the kill team model and release multiple boxes each with 2 fleets in them at £100+ and make it a bit complicated based around scenario’s?


Would the kill team model put you off?

I expect something similar to AI, eg. hex grid, very few ships, simple rules. Standalone box with just a few additional optional addons. Then wait and see how the reactions are.

The different fire arcs, gunnery table with orientation, putting down tons of blast markers, etc. is no longer the type of game GW designs, so in this regard, I don't think it will bear much similarities with the previous/current game.

They will do what gives them the moust cash, whatever that form would be.
They have done both versions for two dfferent games, kill team route for AI and starter force in a box for AT. I am guessing they would take the kill team route as bfg has alot of fleets to be added.

But i am one of thouse that hope gw will never remake the game as it is nice the way it is now. proxy models are avalible for home print and from print services, community keeps the rules in check and inline, what more can you ask for??

If GW does release BFG I imagine they'll do similar to Adeptus Titanicus: Set it in 30K so that they can just focus on Imperial / Chaos ships. Then if the game does well move it to 40K and add more factions.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:


But i am one of thouse that hope gw will never remake the game as it is nice the way it is now. proxy models are avalible for home print and from print services, community keeps the rules in check and inline, what more can you ask for??

Watching both the Necromunda and Heresy communities self-destruct over recent months (I think partly as a result of fear of what new rules changes will bring) I would be perfectly happy if GW never approaches the games again. The rules are available for free, and following the fan edits are no doubt far better designed and playtested than anything GW would produce these days, which again (following on from what has happened with Necromunda) will be literally just to throw as much as possible at the wall, a playable game with coherent rules very much not being a main priority. Miniature wise there are so many cool proxies and 3D prints available at a reasonable cost, again I am not sure what GW could do other than to increase the scale by 25% (invalidating everyone's existing collection) and make the price point too high.

I may be a bit cynical as I am writing this on a Monday morning

Well we start today a 9 player campaign...

But i suspect they would make the ships bigger, which would detract for me from the vast distances in space thing.

 Pacific wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:


But i am one of thouse that hope gw will never remake the game as it is nice the way it is now. proxy models are avalible for home print and from print services, community keeps the rules in check and inline, what more can you ask for??

Watching both the Necromunda and Heresy communities self-destruct over recent months (I think partly as a result of fear of what new rules changes will bring) I would be perfectly happy if GW never approaches the games again. The rules are available for free, and following the fan edits are no doubt far better designed and playtested than anything GW would produce these days, which again (following on from what has happened with Necromunda) will be literally just to throw as much as possible at the wall, a playable game with coherent rules very much not being a main priority. Miniature wise there are so many cool proxies and 3D prints available at a reasonable cost, again I am not sure what GW could do other than to increase the scale by 25% (invalidating everyone's existing collection) and make the price point too high.

I may be a bit cynical as I am writing this on a Monday morning

You dont need to look further then AI, and compare GWs rules agasint FWs rules, and you see how they are capable of killing a game, so the fear from necromundia and 30k players are valid. was FW any good at making balanced rules? no, but they was consistent and they lasted more then 2 weeks.
It may say GW on the rules for AT, but it shure aint GW staff that made thouse rules, they are simply too good.

If the same folks that made the rules for AT made the rules for a remake of BFG, there might be hope, but yea,as i said there is no need for a BFG remake, 3D printers and hardcore fans saved the game.

Most of the AT crew have left GW but some still do contract work for them.

It is a certainty that GW will do a spaceship game in the future. Because all the way back they actually wanted to start their business with a spaceship game. Before anything of fantasy or 40k.

Now, how they are gonna do it will be the key thing.
I fear for all the great proxy designers when GW decides to. Instead if I was GW I would contact those great designers!

But like others said: they could do a size increase of miniatures. And if their goal is to invalidate old miniatures they have to do a new ruleset as well..... because in BFG the model is just a fun representation the rules themselves actually deal with the stem and the base, not the miniature.

That's important: bigger models, no big rule change: old minis still useable.

Will they do rule changes? Ofcourse they'll do. To what extend? Who knows. Would community input be fun, sure! They had a real close conection during the 2000-2013 years actually.
And after that the community cared that all the rules where still neatly available to anyone getting into the game. And last year we even improved things to make it easier to start the game for new players. (Starter kit, first battle book, etc) and fans keep adding great books and more to the game. Heck, I even relaunced warp rift.

But, kay, they decide to do a re-release which deviates from the BFG as we know it, let us hope for a :
contained boxed set dealing with the heresy. Like the man'o'war boxed set.

If GW re-releases battlefleet gothic….

They will screw it up.

As others have pointed out, the game is alive and well for anybody interested in playing it. 3d printed minis are available from multiple sources, the rules are around for free (and they are great). there is no need for them to touch it again. especially since the guys who knew how to design it are long gone from the company.

Apart from order dice, the game is more accessible that it's ever been imho

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Apart from order dice, the game is more accessible that it's ever been imho

The original dice yes, but as a last resort if one do not have a printer, one can get some blank D6 and just write on the symbols with a sharpie.
ofc if one has a printer, it is a good amount of files out there for both the tokens and the order dice.

It cannot be said enugh how mutch the 3D printer saved this game.

And the order dice are just the same as in Titanicus or the reaction tokens available for Heresy, so you might get even those from the stores.

Not that it matters, given those dice are pretty much never rolled and any reminder marker or a piece of paper does the job just fine.

The game exists as is right now, so whether they redo it or not, people can still play the existing ruleset.

The order dice are pretty irrelevant imo, just as easy to use tokens with the symbols on them, or coloured chits.

Or print out little boxes and make paper dice with the symbols, if you don't want to get 3d ones printed.

And the order dice are available for sale:
https://abyssal-product.jimdofree.com/product/

But there are also STL available, or indeed, token anything on cardboard or paper. You don't need to roll them.

To sidestep the questions about GW rules writing these days (or indeed ever) let's focus on what matters, the pretty toys.

I think we'd be most likely to see something like Titanicus. Set during the Heresy with both sides using the same ships initially. (There was a rumor dog years ago about Battlefleet Heresy but if it was ever real it seem obvious it ain't happening anytime soon.) GW could then do a cruiser sprue (with options), an escort sprue, and maybe a battleship sprue. With resin Dreadnoughts like the Legion flagships.

IMHO the old BFG Cruiser sprue is one of the best GW has made, with tons of options and able to represent a half dozen ship classes. A newer version of it with multiple prows and other options would be amazing. Dropfleet Commander has already one-upped it and I'd love to see a new version.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Well we start today a 9 player campaign...

But i suspect they would make the ships bigger, which would detract for me from the vast distances in space thing.

If it helps remember that technically the ships were never to scale, the actual 'ship' is a dot in the middle of the base, the model is just there to represent.

I still have my original sets of the dice.


I picked up a bunch of 3d printed blast markers and torpedo tokens from shapeways a while back. along with another facing dial.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

IMHO the old BFG Cruiser sprue is one of the best GW has made, with tons of options and able to represent a half dozen ship classes. A newer version of it with multiple prows and other options would be amazing. Dropfleet Commander has already one-upped it and I'd love to see a new version.

If you check Vanguard Miniatures or Battlefleet Galaxy: they offer a multitude of weapon options, prow options and galaxy even bridge options. With those much more is possible than with the (fun!) plastic kit from 1999 actually.
Not even mentioning all options with STL/3D design.

Oh you won't find a bigger fan of Vanguard than me. I love their ships.

I've been doing 28mm for a while but I see they've put out some amazing stuff, the Hagia Sophia-inspired battleship is a work of art.

When I get back to BFG...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Oh you won't find a bigger fan of Vanguard than me. I love their ships.

I've been doing 28mm for a while but I see they've put out some amazing stuff, the Hagia Sophia-inspired battleship is a work of art.

When I get back to BFG...

The Leviathan Battleship (hagia) was only 18 miniatures available and sold out in 4 and half hours. So, you got to watch that space.

Considering how exceedingly sprue-efficient BFG is, I would dare wager we would get both factions right off the bat, same as with the original edition. A one-frame sprue (like Necromunda gangs) could easily build a cruiser with all options and even a couple of escorts if GW wanted. Redoing the BFG box would take no more resources than the AI or BB starter (unlike AT, which has vastly more intricate models).

I hope GW is also furiously taking notes looking at the Dystopian Wars re-release, where a single sprue can also build 4-8 cuiser classes and has space left over for escorts, ordnance tokens and other support elements.

Personally I would like an increase in model scale but that's just the painter in me. I think as other have stated "Battlefleet Heresy" would be a more likely release from GW, less effort on their part. A couple of sprues would cover pretty much all the ships around during the Heresy and FW could release the named centrepieces.

BFG is the one game in which it really doesn’t matter if GW switches up the scale. The models were explicitly only ever a representation and to look cool, with all the relevant mechanics using the base or the very tip of the Flying stand. Also imperial ships being built over such an insanely amount of time amd form so May different shipyards, pretty much everything in a flotilla will look different anyway, except maybe the escorts and more truly mass produced ships.

 Rolsheen wrote:
Personally I would like an increase in model scale but that's just the painter in me. I think as other have stated "Battlefleet Heresy" would be a more likely release from GW, less effort on their part. A couple of sprues would cover pretty much all the ships around during the Heresy and FW could release the named centrepieces.

I feel like "Batlefleet Heresy" would be a bad idea, really. Two armies with almost the same ships, with little to no involvement of any of other armies of the setting (especially xenos), and as far as i know a few of the iconic ships of 40k not even being a thing at that time.

I don't think they will do this, but it would make them the most money for least effort, and that is just rerelease the existing rules. Have boxed sets for each faction that contains a more or less complete fleet. Release the rules as they are with minimal changes and just watch the $$ roll in.

They'll probably go the kill team route though. Which I mean, wouldn't be terrible. We really just need them to sell the models again, people will just keep using the old rules if the new ones suck.

The only real weakness of BFG is that half of the ships never really had models. You had to kitbash or scratch build for many fleets and that kept a lot of players out. If they start putting out models for everybody I think it would explode.

While we are at it, have models for strike craft and torpedoes too. I like my cardboard printouts that I scratch made, but some actual tokens with models on them would be dope AF.

Grey the fan community has already done all that. you can get all the variant ships, ordinance, blast markers etc thanks to 3d printing. the problem like anything else is finding an active community of players. we have loads of people in our group that play BFG.....when we are not playing all the other stuff we play. it goes in waves as we have so many choices. right now classic battletech is the big draw at our FLGS.

Pretty sure everything published had official models outside the Roks and Hulk, even ordnance.

 Grey Templar wrote:


The only real weakness of BFG is that half of the ships never really had models. You had to kitbash or scratch build for many fleets and that kept a lot of players out. If they start putting out models for everybody I think it would explode.

While we are at it, have models for strike craft and torpedoes too. I like my cardboard printouts that I scratch made, but some actual tokens with models on them would be dope AF.

Games Workshop (and a little bit Forgeworld) had miniatures for every ship in the main rulebook and armada.

Only the Ork Hulk and Roks wasn't available. And the dedicated models for the the Voss Light cruisers didn't only have a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaal short production run and dissapeared.
The dedicated voss prow for the cruisers was cosmetic and indeed not made except for the Battleship.

For 2010 compendium indeed some more wasn't made but most of it was easy kitbash aka bridge, prow, weapon swaps.

 aphyon wrote:
Grey the fan community has already done all that. you can get all the variant ships, ordinance, blast markers etc thanks to 3d printing. the problem like anything else is finding an active community of players. we have loads of people in our group that play BFG.....when we are not playing all the other stuff we play. it goes in waves as we have so many choices. right now classic battletech is the big draw at our FLGS.

If 3D printing isn't your bag Vanguard also covers ordinance and small ships.

I love spaceship battles so a new edition of BFG or something similar would definitely get my attention. I would probably still play with the models I have if anyone in my area was still into it.