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 Valander wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
There are - you can get better prints by cutting up parts of a model and reorienting print angles, etc. Just because you can print it in one solid piece doesn't necessarily mean you should.

True, but you can get away with fewer parts when printing since you aren't as constrained by molding limitations, such as undercuts, etc.

You'd be surprised by how much you need to cut up a model to get optimal surfaces and prints, minimizing the distortion and impact that the supports have on the model. Any side where supports must be placed, even on the most well calibrated printers, will have less detail, or warped details. Then, some surfaces need specific angles on the model to lessen the layer lines visible on the surface.

3D printing does allow a lot more freedom in other ways though. Fewer size restrictions, undercuts, complex twists, no mold lines, etc.

New Cygnar give me trypophobia which I didn't even know existed until now

Toofast wrote:
New Cygnar give me trypophobia which I didn't even know existed until now

Now that you mention it, yes. Agreed.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

Toofast wrote:
New Cygnar give me trypophobia which I didn't even know existed until now

Now that you mention it, yes. Agreed.

I apologize for anyone else experiencing a future mental health crisis due to my revelation

Toofast wrote:
New Cygnar give me trypophobia which I didn't even know existed until now

Psst, those are bullet holes from Komrade Borisyuk's Shadow of Death.

ugh - feth. I didn't notice the hole patterns before... but now I do.

Warmachine models have always been covered with those sort of hole patterns. I notice them about as much as I notice a car having wheels.

That would explain why my car starts but doesn't move.

New winter korps are up.

Look solid. Very similar to the rifle korps.

Interesting snippet on the lore as they have replied the small 'specialist' units old khador relied on. Seems like iron fangs and kommandos might be away!

Kapitan Ilari Borisyuk, Warcaster


Winter Korps Infantry, Light Infantry Unit (two troopers with heavy weapons not shown)

A while ago I converted some cygnaran trencher long gunners into pseudo khadorans by giving them ushanka hats. Guess they can also stand in as my winter korps troops.

Also, am I the obly ones that finds 'Boris yuk' somewhat amusing, considering the state of the UK at the moment? I do love the model though and the rules are interesting

Yeah, that name is... well, its a real name and its pronounced Bori-sook, but yeah.... its a choice.

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Kapitan Ilari Borisyuk, Warcaster


Winter Korps Infantry, Light Infantry Unit (two troopers with heavy weapons not shown)

Here's hoping for a 'Winter korps cavalry' (based on cossacks?) option down thr line. Always loved my steelhead cavalry, would love a winter guard/korps equivalent.

Lots of Winter Guard sculpts in the latest PrimeCast:


Loving those rocketeers

Khador is going to be a fine stopgap until we get Gravediggers redone

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Lots of Winter Guard sculpts in the latest PrimeCast:


Loving those rocketeers

Only issue is there's not enough axes.

Khador is the 'axe to face' faction after all.

But seriously lovely models. And blunderbusses and rifles confirmed at least.

Those models are gorgeous. Time to save some cash.

Agreed! I never really got involved with mk3 for all the typical.reaaons but the 'relaunch' models are fabulous and I'm seeiously tempted to get involved again, for the models if not for anything else.

Wishlists is winter korps cavalry, revamped assault kommandos and let me keep my iron fangs please and thank you.

Over lockdown I bought about 50 odd retribution houseguard models (archers, halberdiers and riflemen) and I'm genuinely hoping the elven house kalyss revamp (not apologising for the pun, even if it's a bit eld-rich of me :p) faction will let me use these in some form as well.

Your ability to use them will depend on your local community. In Mk3 PP had a very strict WYSIWYG no proxy policy, which my local/regional community (northeast USA) for the most part very strictly interpreted and enforced up until the pandemic era when stock availability became a problem and people were forced to proxy due to an inability to buy models. Before that though, if you were trying to counts-as/proxy your minis, you mostly weren't going to manage to get a pick-up game in with anyone other than your close friends who were willing to put up with it only for playtesting purposes.

I would hope communities learn to be more accepting of conversions and proxies going forward. I know I'll be pushing more reasonable implementations locally. The Unlimited situation is just going to demand a little more chill.


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Deadnight wrote:

Wishlists is winter korps cavalry, revamped assault kommandos and let me keep my iron fangs please and thank you.

The new Winter Korps Shocktroopers are probably the new Assault Kommandos. Their armor looks a little more Iron Fang inspired though.

Iron Fangs will be an Unlimited army I would assume. Man O War seems to be Khador's second army for the Prime format. I'd not expect Iron Fangs to get rules for a while regardless. I think they've long been very high on the chopping block for Khador.

chaos0xomega wrote:Your ability to use them will depend on your local community. In Mk3 PP had a very strict WYSIWYG no proxy policy, which my local/regional community (northeast USA) for the most part very strictly interpreted and enforced up until the pandemic era when stock availability became a problem and people were forced to proxy due to an inability to buy models.

They'll need to loosen up. Ultra-dogmatic adherence doesn't do anyone any favours. Crap like that is why a lot of people walked away and why the pp community gets such a terrible reputation.

There's a spectrum though. 'This coke can is a juggernaut' rightly shouldn't fly, but honestly if someone drops winter guard riflemen and called them 'winter korps infantry', not only are they pp models, but they are plate armoured wearing riflemen with greatcoats. Imo perfectly suitable stand in

chaos0xomega wrote:. Before that though, if you were trying to counts-as/proxy your minis, you mostly weren't going to manage to get a pick-up game in with anyone other than your close friends who were willing to put up with it only for playtesting purposes.

Thankfully the community here in scotland/uk was a bit more open minded and the local players are pretty sound. I never had issues fielding any of my converted units. Talking about 'putting up with' syitable conversions (I'm assuming it's not your personal.take but your experience) strikes me as more than a little bit condescending and elitist.

LunarSol wrote:I would hope communities learn to be more accepting of conversions and proxies going forward. I know I'll be pushing more reasonable implementations locally. The Unlimited situation is just going to demand a little more chill.

My thoughts exactly.

LunarSol wrote:
The new Winter Korps Shocktroopers are probably the new Assault Kommandos. Their armor looks a little more Iron Fang inspired though.

Iron Fangs will be an Unlimited army I would assume. Man O War seems to be Khador's second army for the Prime format. I'd not expect Iron Fangs to get rules for a while regardless. I think they've long been very high on the chopping block for Khador.

I've not seen anything on shocktroopers - I'm interested, haha! Loved kommandos, but yeah pp painted themselves into.a corner- they had no real niche. I'd love to see them reimagined.

What makes you say iron fangs are high on the chopping block though? Imo they're an incredibly iconic khadoran unit and it would be a shame to 'legacy' them. And I'm repainting about thirty of mine atm - not specifically for wmh and they're still.great models. I do agree with you though that men o war seem.an obvious choice for the next army.

We know each faction is getting two legacy armies in prime, supposedly based around the most "iconic" and cohesive themes availabe to that faction. For khador we know one of them is going to be Armored Korps/Man-O-Wars.

Beyond that everything is conjecture, if I were to guess its going to be between Iron Fangs and Winter Guard - I feel like the Winter Korps army should preclude Winter Guard from being made playable in Prime because they are overall too similar, but Iron Fangs don't have quite as much support and unit options as Winter Guard does.

Beyond that everything is conjecture, if I were to guess its going to be between Iron Fangs and Winter Guard - I feel like the Winter Korps army should preclude Winter Guard from being made playable in Prime because they are overall too similar, but Iron Fangs don't have quite as much support and unit options as Winter Guard does.

Yeah, Winter Guard has a lot more choices than IFP do, but I can't really see them putting two armies of one faction in Prime that are completely the same aesthetically. The IFP are iconic/thematic/self-contained enough that I could see them working- they have as many choices as Banes do for Cryx, after all, so that's what I would have guessed for the second Prime army.

I wasn't sure if it was 2 legacy armies or 2 armies period. I was mentally in the mindset that the "new" Cygnar and Khador were going to fill in as one of their options. If not things open up a bit. I do expect Greylord/Doom Reavers to fill in as Khador's cadre FWIW. Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to have a use for the 30ish Pikemen I just painted.

I wish they'd give us a preview cadre- I'm very curious how these will end up looking. Can we take multiple cadres? How many options will be in each cadre? Should we expect very low FA in order to preserve the 'army identity' or whatever?

Deadnight wrote:

I've not seen anything on shocktroopers - I'm interested, haha! Loved kommandos, but yeah pp painted themselves into.a corner- they had no real niche. I'd love to see them reimagined.

The name comes from the recent solicitation of the Khador starter box:



Also we're getting some kind of Arkanist unit we haven't really seen.

I suspect the Shocktroopers look like the guy at the front center of the new artwork for the army box shown in the video:

Speak of the devil: https://home.privateerpress.com/2022/08/18/legacy-armies-in-prime-arena/?force_isolation=true

Winter Guard confirmed to be #2

 LunarSol wrote:
I wasn't sure if it was 2 legacy armies or 2 armies period. I was mentally in the mindset that the "new" Cygnar and Khador were going to fill in as one of their options. If not things open up a bit. I do expect Greylord/Doom Reavers to fill in as Khador's cadre FWIW. Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to have a use for the 30ish Pikemen I just painted.

No, its two legacy armies and an indeterminate number of new armies per faction. I would not be surprised for a Greylord cadre in the future, Doom Reavers I am a bit less certain about.

Asmoridin wrote:
I wish they'd give us a preview cadre- I'm very curious how these will end up looking. Can we take multiple cadres? How many options will be in each cadre? Should we expect very low FA in order to preserve the 'army identity' or whatever?

I would reference Warcaster for an idea of what Cadres look like. It appears they will have variable contents but average out to 8-11 models each.

I feel like that comparison might be a bit off, cadres in Warcaster don't feel quite like they fit into the Warmachine army construction rules (unless they plan on giving me free models?). Maybe 8-11 models.... but taking a look at a potential Greylord Cadre, for instance, am I going to be pulling in three Greylord Ternion units? If there's a separate Doom Reaver cadre, can I also pull in Doom Reavers?

I just want to see one, simplify a lot of these questions.

My understanding is that the legacy armies weren't getting cadres, so you might be asking the wrong questions? None of the Mk4 boxes previewed thus far provide FA of any of the units contained in them, so I dont know why you would expect a cadre box to provide you FA of whatever the Mk4 equivalent of a Greylord unit is.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would not be surprised for a Greylord cadre in the future, Doom Reavers I am a bit less certain about.

Even before they got combined into a theme for Mk3, Grey Lords have long been the masters holding the Doom Reavers on a leash. They've always been suited well to that "mercenary" kind of place in army design, despite being incredibly fun to spam. I expect the Greylords to be the cadre option, with Doom Reavers as part of that set of options.

I don't think cadres look to be anything remotely similar to the same design as Warcaster's version. They seem far more in line with mercenary design space.