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The big thing to realize is that there's really a lot more than 3 models worth of model in those sets. Each jack comes with several models worth of parts. It's a good amount of stuff and I'm glad that the rules actually really benefit from the options in this edition.

That said, I do agree that the cost of resin has been a huge issue for PP in general. The cost itself is pretty on par with other resin lines and personally I find their quality to be among the best I've worked with, but a lot of those other games are just 5-10 models. It creates a significant barrier when your game requires something more along the lines of 20-40 models.

I really, really wish they had made a decent small point steamroller to keep the game small in the relaunch. To me the real killer of mk4 is going to be jumping right back to 100 points when it plays so much better at 50/75 and more importantly, has a more reasonable army cost.
   
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Yeah, if events stay at 100pts, it means just admitting the game is not going to attract any new players.
   
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Events should stay at 100pts if people are playing.

What they need to do is just what GW have done - create a new format under its own name for marketing that focuses on a smaller number of models on the table.

Killteam has been part of 40K for ages, but it wasn't till GW marketed it as its own thing that it really got off the ground as a game format.

It's a really smart move by GW because it creates the "entry level" smaller number of models game as a format for new and old people alike. Which in turn means newbies know where they can get started and also generates games for them from established people.


It's not just a "stop gap" that you play whilst waiting to get to 40K; its a whole game unto itself. Yes the "risk" is some people will get that 1 box of models and never move beyond; but honestly that kind of person was going to do that with 40K; however the difference is now thye are at least playing; engaging and there's always a chance of them moving up. Plus they are providing games and engagement for those who are going to eventually move toward also playing the bigger games.

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Was at a wargames convention/ trade show at the weekend and for the first time in years, saw whm stuff at the 'bring and buy'.

Missed out on some trenchers but got 10 winter guard riflemen, a berzerker jack and a classic cygnar starter for £15. Got some minicrate too. Guys just wanted them shifted.

Also bumped into a few friends I used to play with back then. Plus the guys selling stuff. Of all of them, none were currently playing. One had bought a new cryx army before news of mk4 dropped and its worthless. None were really interested in mk4 at all. Even my own purchases are for not-warmachine and are intended to be system agnostic going forward. Still need some trenchers though!

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JEsus, I am a huge trollblood fan but $80 for 3 models and they look a bit too.... Well a bit much and overly busy. I like the warlock but somehow the warbeasts (the reason I got into trollbloods) just don't look that great to me compared to the older models.
   
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 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
JEsus, I am a huge trollblood fan but $80 for 3 models and they look a bit too.... Well a bit much and overly busy. I like the warlock but somehow the warbeasts (the reason I got into trollbloods) just don't look that great to me compared to the older models.


Yeah, I'm not fond of the dire troll myself, but I'm also just not a huge fan of crab aesthetics in general. I will say though that $80 for 3 Trollblood models is really nothing new. They've always been large and expensive. Mulg was $60 a decade ago and tiny compared to some of the newer Dire Trolls. I am passing on this one though, mostly just because if I want to play Trolls I prefer the Northkin aesthetic.

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 LunarSol wrote:
Mulg was $60 a decade ago and tiny compared to some of the newer Dire Trolls.


But lets be real. Quite a lot of people got theirs from ebay/2nd hand
   
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Sunno wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Mulg was $60 a decade ago and tiny compared to some of the newer Dire Trolls.


But lets be real. Quite a lot of people got theirs from ebay/2nd hand


That's fine, but comparing the prices you get from eBay that you specifically use to get something cheaper to the MSRP is kind of apples to oranges. People can get these from eBay someday as well.
   
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Cyel wrote:
Yeah, if events stay at 100pts, it means just admitting the game is not going to attract any new players.


For what it's worth, the Gen Con Iron Guantlet is being run at 75 points. (The other three listed Warmachine events are free play sessions.)
   
 
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