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So with 10th ed rumours and such. I thought I'd share the Lion El Jonson 40K Datasheet we play at my LGC. Non matched play of course. Hope you enjoy .

There's nothing there that really makes him stand out, at the moment he's just "Guilliman but DA get re-rolls instead".

You'd also need to rework some of his abilities; as of now Feel No Pain doesn't exist, and what counts as a Force Weapon? Why does he get a 3++ against Force Weapons when he already has a 3++?

 Valkyrie wrote:
There's nothing there that really makes him stand out, at the moment he's just "Guilliman but DA get re-rolls instead".

You'd also need to rework some of his abilities; as of now Feel No Pain doesn't exist, and what counts as a Force Weapon? Why does he get a 3++ against Force Weapons when he already has a 3++?

Echoing this.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
There's nothing there that really makes him stand out, at the moment he's just "Guilliman but DA get re-rolls instead".

You'd also need to rework some of his abilities; as of now Feel No Pain doesn't exist, and what counts as a Force Weapon? Why does he get a 3++ against Force Weapons when he already has a 3++?

Echoing this.

I see your point. As its homebrew we work around it as we know the intent. But the FNP is for our reference whenever he would lose a wound he rolls a D6, on a 5+ the wound is not lost.

As for the force weapons thing this is something we noticed no longer exists this was making the HH lion rules transfer over. So its more when the Lion would suffer a mortal wound, roll a D6 on a 3+ the wound is saved.

We know the intent so we never reworded it.

As for being like GMan but for Dark Angels, that was the intent.

If GW wanna give the Lion some uber flavour when he releases thata fine. But we kept this sheet in line using HH Lion, GMan, Belakor and Azrael as the baseline rules for inspirartions and points and abilities.

Out of curiosity, what kind of fluffy Lion-specific abilities would everyone like to see? I don't know much about the Lion other than that he used to hunt monsters.

How would you keep him from being a generic beatstick or a Guilliman clone?

Wyldhunt wrote:
Out of curiosity, what kind of fluffy Lion-specific abilities would everyone like to see? I don't know much about the Lion other than that he used to hunt monsters.

How would you keep him from being a generic beatstick or a Guilliman clone?

For me I'd like to see them do something very duel based with him.

Besides being a master tactician as we was arguably supposed to be warmaster instead of Horus he is the best swordsman in the imperium. He beat Conrad curze, a man who could see into the future. The lion was able to adapt his strategy so well his fighting was unpredictable and this beat him.

But he's also very loyal dispite what the memes might tell you. There was a demon who was a master at corruption, read the Lions mind and didn't even bother because it knew it couldn't turn him.

That said he's very vicious. All about the task at hand. Some say he's written very autistic, which I agree as someone with diagnosed ASD. This leads to him blowing up entire planets because landfall as he knows it will fix the issue. Or finding ways to orbital bombard ultramarr due to a technicality.

He is very harsh. But also very brilliant in his fighting and tactical mind.

I wouldn't buy too much into the ASD idea unless the writer confirms it to be honest. What you could do based on what you just said is give him:

- Reroll hits and wounds against characters, monsters or vehicles.
- Army can use Command Reroll twice a turn instead of once.