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2022/07/31 18:51:44
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their own armies?
70/25 split IMO. For some people it's meta chasing and the need to maximize resale, but now that most events have painting requirements that's less common than it used to be. For the majority it's that they treat 40k as a tabletop equivalent of an e-sport, purely a game to play with none of the narrative or aesthetic elements that were the roots of the game. The models are just tokens for playing the game, and why waste time painting a token when you could be playing more games? These are also the people who don't bother assembling their models completely, play with cardboard boxes and beer cans for "terrain", etc, because nothing matters but rolling dice and winning games.
The really hilarious part is that despite their obsession with "competitive" play they're all just big fish in small ponds. No major event allows unpainted models so all they can do is club the local seals over and over again for ego fluffing.
One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2022/07/31 19:18:49
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
EviscerationPlague wrote: Bruh, I fething suck at painting. No amount of contrast is going to help with that.
Better to suck at painting than to not paint at all. And the only way to improve is to practice.
One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2022/07/31 19:31:35
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
And why do they actually buy expensive miniatures if they are just going to use them just as tokens and not even assembly them properly or even give them a primer to figute outvif they are their "token minis", or the opfor???
Those minis are expensive partly because they are full of details that can only be appreciated if they are fully painted?
If you are so out of touch with the aesthetic nature of the hobby why dont you go all arround and simply use bases and capboard (even with a printed picture like the 2ed ork dreadnought in the starting box) to play your version of 4Ok??
Or you know, if you wanted to engage the broader community but were unable to paint for yourselve... Buy less minis but pay for others to paint them (which is not such an expense compared to the actual minis purchase)... Or even look for 2nd hand painted minis????
It look to me as paying a fee for a dance club, follow the expensive dress code of the club, and go there every week but since you lack the skill and/or find dancing boring the only thing you do is buy overpriced drinks at the bar while most people in the dancefloor watch you weirdly.
Sure you are "Tecnically" part of the dance club community but in such a limited and akward manner that it dosent seem very sensible.
2022/07/31 19:36:17
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
No, because they don't want to option? Or a they don't want to spend time and money on painting?
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2022/07/31 19:38:14
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
EviscerationPlague wrote: Bruh, I fething suck at painting. No amount of contrast is going to help with that.
Better to suck at painting than to not paint at all. And the only way to improve is to practice.
I legitimately cannot as of 6-7 years ago. I have a really bad tendinitis and carpal that gets exacerbated as I try to paint. At least with putting together models, I can fix anything trembling might have caused. I plan to eventually hire a pro painter to make my Marines look like marble/stone of course, but I'll design the bases first. As is, I'm content with my plastic dudes. They have character, even with judgmental jackasses as yourself say they need to be painted for your immersion when the game sucks and isn't immersive to begin with.
Seriously, get over yourself.
2022/07/31 19:38:28
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
Vatsetis wrote: And why do they actually buy expensive miniatures if they are just going to use them just as tokens and not even assembly them properly or even give them a primer to figute outvif they are their "token minis", or the opfor???
TBH they look for every opportunity to not buy the miniatures. I can't even count the number of gray armies I've seen where it's not even real miniatures, it's cheap army men from walmart or crude 3d printed proxies and their overwhelming top priority is to keep everything as cheap as possible. Aesthetics? Who cares, as long as it's cheap.
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One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2022/07/31 19:38:31
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
Vatsetis wrote: And why do they actually buy expensive miniatures if they are just going to use them just as tokens and not even assembly them properly or even give them a primer to figute outvif they are their "token minis", or the opfor???
Why don't you walk around in a potato sack? You need legal models to play the game, because the rules of the game check stuff like LoS, stores don't accept people with printed armies or with "printed" tokens. You there for have to buy the models to play the game.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2022/07/31 19:40:36
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
As I've mentioned in the previous 2 threads on this, my goal is fully painted stuff.
But I paint sporadically & at one slow pace. Have for many years, dont imagine it'll change now or in the future. (Well, it might get worse as I get old)
As I've also made clear, I'm not painting for anyone's benefit other than my own. <You> do not factor into this. Nor do I consider painting minis part of my hobby.
Thus I am unconcerned with how long it'll take to reach my goal.
(If you're concerned with how long it's taking me.... we'll that's a you problem.)
But between now & the almost certainly far off day when my goal is achieved? Regardless of how much paint is on models?
There's games to be played.
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2022/07/31 19:43:15
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
EviscerationPlague wrote: Bruh, I fething suck at painting. No amount of contrast is going to help with that.
Better to suck at painting than to not paint at all. And the only way to improve is to practice.
I legitimately cannot as of 6-7 years ago. I have a really bad tendinitis and carpal that gets exacerbated as I try to paint. At least with putting together models, I can fix anything trembling might have caused. I plan to eventually hire a pro painter to make my Marines look like marble/stone of course, but I'll design the bases first. As is, I'm content with my plastic dudes. They have character, even with judgmental jackasses as yourself say they need to be painted for your immersion when the game sucks and isn't immersive to begin with.
Seriously, get over yourself.
Hiring a pro painting is fine, no one is arguing against that. Its an ok alternative if for whatever reason you are unable to paint your own minis for yourselve.
I Myself mix painting my minis, buying painted miniatures and hiring pro painters.
Vatsetis wrote: And why do they actually buy expensive miniatures if they are just going to use them just as tokens and not even assembly them properly or even give them a primer to figute outvif they are their "token minis", or the opfor???
TBH they look for every opportunity to not buy the miniatures. I can't even count the number of gray armies I've seen where it's not even real miniatures, it's cheap army men from walmart or crude 3d printed proxies and their overwhelming top priority is to keep everything as cheap as possible. Aesthetics? Who cares, as long as it's cheap.
Fine, In my experience "Grey Knights" are usually original GW minis (or at least decent copies).
As I've mentioned in the previous 2 threads on this, my goal is fully painted stuff.
But I paint sporadically & at one slow pace. Have for many years, dont imagine it'll change now or in the future.
As I've also made clear, I'm not painting for anyone's benefit other than my own. <You> do not factor into this. Nor do I consider painting minis part of my hobby.
Thus I am unconcerned with how long it'll take to reach my goal.
(If you're concerned with how long it's taking me.... we'll that's a you problem.)
But between now & the (almost certainly) far off day when my goal is achieved? Regardless of how much paint is on models?
There's games to be played.
So it seems you are not "vehement against painting your army" so this poll is not describing people like you. I dont understand what is the point of your post.
The question is not, "why people dont paint their armies? " but rather why (probably a small minority) are so vehement against painting their armies. Two very different topics.
-I have called for no standard!
-This is not an enforcement of the tenets of the (non existent) "thought/painting police".
-In a social context (like a forum or gamming community) people shouldnt be annoyed if they are asked about their public activities.
-Participating in this poll and chat is optional.
-If you fill personally offended by the content or wording of this poll, I apologize and assure you that my intentions are honest.
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2022/07/31 20:14:11
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
EviscerationPlague wrote: Bruh, I fething suck at painting. No amount of contrast is going to help with that.
Everyone sucks at painting at first. I *still* suck at painting, but I enjoy painting my minis. I don't stress out about playing with unpainted stuff though.
2022/07/31 20:17:08
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
As I've mentioned in the previous 2 threads on this, my goal is fully painted stuff.
But I paint sporadically & at one slow pace. Have for many years, dont imagine it'll change now or in the future.
As I've also made clear, I'm not painting for anyone's benefit other than my own. <You> do not factor into this. Nor do I consider painting minis part of my hobby.
Thus I am unconcerned with how long it'll take to reach my goal.
(If you're concerned with how long it's taking me.... we'll that's a you problem.)
But between now & the (almost certainly) far off day when my goal is achieved? Regardless of how much paint is on models?
There's games to be played.
So it seems you are not "vehement against painting your army" so this poll is not describing people like you. I dont understand what is the point of your post.
Well I doubt you're going to hear from the people you started the poll about. So you'll just have to accept the replies you get.
2022/07/31 20:32:45
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
I am not offended. You'd have to do some extreme things to offend me, as I do not easily take offense. I am also not being aggressive in my responses.
But you are asking why don't some paint and you have been given answers, some from people themselves and other answers are "possibles" or hypothetical in nature. There isn't going to be a way of getting everyone on the same page when it comes to painting. Or playing.
I paint, but I don't expect anyone else to do so either. I can appreciate the effort into assembling the minis and leave it at that. I would rather play then not, so I won't turn down a game because it's bare grey plastic.
Maybe it's due to me being somewhere the hobby isn't strong and I'll take what I can get. Maybe I am of a different frame of mind.
Pew, Pew!
2022/07/31 21:25:33
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
Vatsetis wrote: -If you fill personally offended by the content or wording of this poll, I apologize and assure you that my intentions are honest.
Option 1 in your poll is that people don't paint because they "dont fully understand the 40K hobby". In option two you suggest that these people are "just Trolling".
So forgive me if I don't believe your statement above.
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I don't think you are going to get responses that are any more nuanced than you can find in the other 2 threads about this very topic.
given the responses in the polls that have been made, even considering the internet is a den of scum and villainy, I think a more appropriate question would be:
'Why is there a sizable minority of players that insist that in order for them to enjoy their hobby, you have to paint your miniatures to a standard they deem to be satisfactory'
2022/07/31 21:59:57
Subject: Re:Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
madtankbloke wrote: 'Why is there a sizable minority of players that insist that in order for them to enjoy their hobby, you have to paint your miniatures to a standard they deem to be satisfactory'
Because playing the game involves at least two people and your unpainted models are present in my game.
One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2022/07/31 22:00:03
Subject: Re:Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
I am not offended. You'd have to do some extreme things to offend me, as I do not easily take offense. I am also not being aggressive in my responses.
But you are asking why don't some paint and you have been given answers, some from people themselves and other answers are "possibles" or hypothetical in nature. There isn't going to be a way of getting everyone on the same page when it comes to painting. Or playing.
I paint, but I don't expect anyone else to do so either. I can appreciate the effort into assembling the minis and leave it at that. I would rather play then not, so I won't turn down a game because it's bare grey plastic.
Maybe it's due to me being somewhere the hobby isn't strong and I'll take what I can get. Maybe I am of a different frame of mind.
-I havent asked why people paint or dont paint their armies.
-I havent asked if people prefer to play with painted armies or not, or if they tolerate or not playing against unpainted armies.
Perhaps you are getting confused by other polls created by other fellow posters?
This is a different issue altogether.
2022/07/31 22:20:53
Subject: Why some players are so vehement against painting their armies?
I have friends that can not paint, nerve damage, muscle issues, etc.... I have painted armies for them before even. Not everyone has time as well. Its a hobby and not having painted models wont effect other players, so why does it matter if they are painted if someone is unable to or unhappy to do so?
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