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Everything should just be there to support Tacticals.

Just had a moment here as my brain flashed me back to 1993-94 and the huge irritation about having to take two tactical squads in the new edition.

In our defense back then we were very young and quite naive.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Anyone who played against Mech or Daemons last edition would tell you why making dreads into MCs was a terrible idea, but it seems they missed the memo. Making contemptors 3+ would help reduce the AP2 arms race the game has already become.

Ya, it's a big part of what made daemons of the ruinstorm a bit of a drag to fight, fmc's and mc's need work, and they're just not good representations for dreads, its so baffling. The armour save change might be a simple enough fix, but why even play 2.0? 1.0 is just better IMO.


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Racerguy180 wrote:
Everything should just be there to support Tacticals.

Combined arms def makes for a better experience, all bike or all tank armies just seem lame. Too skewed.


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 SirDonlad wrote:
Just had a moment here as my brain flashed me back to 1993-94 and the huge irritation about having to take two tactical squads in the new edition.

In our defense back then we were very young and quite naive.

Love me some FOC

 Crablezworth wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
Just had a moment here as my brain flashed me back to 1993-94 and the huge irritation about having to take two tactical squads in the new edition.

In our defense back then we were very young and quite naive.

Love me some FOC

93-94 would have been 2nd, which didn't have a FoC. You're thinking 3rd, which was in '98.

 Platuan4th wrote:

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 Crablezworth wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
Just had a moment here as my brain flashed me back to 1993-94 and the huge irritation about having to take two tactical squads in the new edition.

In our defense back then we were very young and quite naive.

Love me some FOC

93-94 would have been 2nd, which didn't have a FoC. You're thinking 3rd, which was in '98.

feth, yes you're right.

It was herohammer with the 3/4 same faction army rule

Racerguy180 wrote:
Everything should just be there to support Tacticals.

Are HH Tacticals still the ones armed bolters-only?

Mhm, bolter, pistol as base gear. But they have a few wargear options and rules that can help them get some work done.

Heart of the legion and an apothecary can make them hard to shift off an objective.

Fury of the legion makes them nice backfield fire support.

Bayonets can make them into okay damage dealers as long as you don't throw them into WS5 stuff.

I'm fond of the basic tacticals for a bit of the heavy lifting or acting as cheap bodies to carry big threat characters.

Bobug wrote:
Imagine thinking tactical squads aren't good

I am a new player to 30k with this edition and I love my two twenty-marine tactical blobs (been playing at 1500 points) each with an apothecary. I desire at least one or two more, moving to 2000 points. They are absolutely amazing.

 judgedoug wrote:

Bobug wrote:
Imagine thinking tactical squads aren't good

I am a new player to 30k with this edition and I love my two twenty-marine tactical blobs (been playing at 1500 points) each with an apothecary. I desire at least one or two more, moving to 2000 points. They are absolutely amazing.

In 1st ed rhinos only held 10 models so apothecaries always lost out, but now that they hold 12, so if you split the blobs you could also try'm mechanized if you got the rhinos.

And you can use reactions to jump back into rhinos correct? I think it was in the latest FAQ.

You can indeed

Or multiple squads with the white scar reaction

 Crablezworth wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Bobug wrote:
Imagine thinking tactical squads aren't good

I am a new player to 30k with this edition and I love my two twenty-marine tactical blobs (been playing at 1500 points) each with an apothecary. I desire at least one or two more, moving to 2000 points. They are absolutely amazing.

In 1st ed rhinos only held 10 models so apothecaries always lost out, but now that they hold 12, so if you split the blobs you could also try'm mechanized if you got the rhinos.

I am not sure I want to buy and paint that many rhinos plus the 7" movement on marines has been pretty great at getting them across the table very quickly.
The rhinos I do have for my Salamanders hold flamer support squads currently haha