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I'd like to see a Next Generation era dead serious comedy about the misadventures of a third rate crew of Klingon idealists trying to live the Klingon dream. They start out disgruntled with the empire's politics and its habit of rolling over whenever the Federation enters the picture, and when commanded to do just that during an assignment, they decide to go rogue and live as Klingons should. They take their rusty Bird of Prey to raid Federation border worlds to impose Klingon dominion and collect tributes, but simply can't provoke armed resistance from Federation citizens who don't much mind giving up things they can easily replenish. Without willing opposition there is no honor in killing anyone and the crew is left with posturing and big speeches. After several episodes and planets of establishing themselves as a local curiosity rather than a terrifying band of warriors out for blood, they finally catch a lucky break by happening on a group of terrorists who have plans to plunge the Federation into chaos. Finally faced with adversaries that are willing to fight, they get to do what they've been working towards and get their first glorious battle.

While clear to the audience, no one initially realizes the Klingons save the Federation from a terrorist plot and instead Starfleet is called on to hunt the murderers of innocent citizens down. With their reputation established, the Klingons can finally rely on other border planets to put up a fight and they get to live as true Klingon warriors for a while. In the meantime, Starfleet tries to catch up with them but investigation of the first massacre shows just who they killed and word is spread to not resist the Klingons anymore while a small fleet of ships searches for the cloaked Klingon vessel. Frustrated with their inability to find new battles and with Starfleet closing in, they decide it's time to take on the enemy ships since they at least seem to come for a fight.

When they finally meet, of course the Starfleet commander would prefer negotiation and talking the Klingon down over military confrontation, but the Klingons won't have it. After suitably Klingon verbal escalation paves the way, they try to take on the Federation ships, die gloriously in battle and go to Sto-Vo-Kor.

Also there'd be a lot of drinking and singing. Like, a downright unhealthy amount. Because Klingons are cultured individuals like that.

For Star Wars, I think it would be neat to follow the career of a smuggler galactic entrepreneur who starts his career in the waning years of the Republic, works through the Clone Wars, through the Imperial era and ends in the New Republic. It could be an interesting way of showing life in lower social circles under different regimes, along with everyday on and off the books bureaucracy and lower level security instead of Jedi, Inquisitors and various militaries.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tatooine - This series explores the scarcely seen or explored world of Tatooine, birth place of Darth Vader. The show would feature a lot of characters from the Original Trilogy in cameos and full roles, but everyone who was bad would be good now, as main characters can't be bad in Disney shows.

Reva: A Skywalker Story - Set after her heel-turn to the light side, ex-Inquisitor Reva begins to learn more about the old Jedi order, and models herself on what Anakin once was, rather than what he became, eventually taking the name Reva Skywalker.

Skywalker: A Skywalker Story - Set after the events of Rise of Skywalker, we see Rey Skywalker joining up with a now-older Reva Skywalker to start the Skywalker Academy of Skywalkers (a new name for Jedi). A running gag will be Finn trying to tell Rey something really important each episode, but somehow never getting around to it. Baby Yoda will be in this for some reason.

Excellent choices.

 Grot 6 wrote:


I'd like to have seen a Star Trek: Renegades show that they filmed a pilot of.

You had me in the beginning but then you got to this and my response is 'but literally every plot point from Renegades has shown up in Kurtzman's Star Trek, to the point I question if they're just stealing ideas from this awful fan film.' You're actually the first person I've ever seen have anything remotely positive to say about the project where Tim Russ nailed his integrity into its own grave XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE2Wgop9VLM

This is the show I'm talking about.

Are you talking about this same show?

Yeah.

 Geifer wrote:
I'd like to see a Next Generation era dead serious comedy about the misadventures of a third rate crew of Klingon idealists trying to live the Klingon dream. They start out disgruntled with the empire's politics and its habit of rolling over whenever the Federation enters the picture, and when commanded to do just that during an assignment, they decide to go rogue and live as Klingons should. They take their rusty Bird of Prey to raid Federation border worlds to impose Klingon dominion and collect tributes, but simply can't provoke armed resistance from Federation citizens who don't much mind giving up things they can easily replenish. Without willing opposition there is no honor in killing anyone and the crew is left with posturing and big speeches. After several episodes and planets of establishing themselves as a local curiosity rather than a terrifying band of warriors out for blood, they finally catch a lucky break by happening on a group of terrorists who have plans to plunge the Federation into chaos. Finally faced with adversaries that are willing to fight, they get to do what they've been working towards and get their first glorious battle.

While clear to the audience, no one initially realizes the Klingons save the Federation from a terrorist plot and instead Starfleet is called on to hunt the murderers of innocent citizens down. With their reputation established, the Klingons can finally rely on other border planets to put up a fight and they get to live as true Klingon warriors for a while. In the meantime, Starfleet tries to catch up with them but investigation of the first massacre shows just who they killed and word is spread to not resist the Klingons anymore while a small fleet of ships searches for the cloaked Klingon vessel. Frustrated with their inability to find new battles and with Starfleet closing in, they decide it's time to take on the enemy ships since they at least seem to come for a fight.

When they finally meet, of course the Starfleet commander would prefer negotiation and talking the Klingon down over military confrontation, but the Klingons won't have it. After suitably Klingon verbal escalation paves the way, they try to take on the Federation ships, die gloriously in battle and go to Sto-Vo-Kor.

Also there'd be a lot of drinking and singing. Like, a downright unhealthy amount. Because Klingons are cultured individuals like that.

For Star Wars, I think it would be neat to follow the career of a smuggler galactic entrepreneur who starts his career in the waning years of the Republic, works through the Clone Wars, through the Imperial era and ends in the New Republic. It could be an interesting way of showing life in lower social circles under different regimes, along with everyday on and off the books bureaucracy and lower level security instead of Jedi, Inquisitors and various militaries.

The idea of a trek show on board a klingon ship is appealing, as in many ways the Klingons are a bit more relatable than the idealistic federation. Watching a crew do some shady stuff to barter for better equipment for their ship etc, have some crew members that are questionable at their jobs. And absolutely no time travel.

for star wars a live action clone wars series, but with a focused narative. Lead characters are a Jedi with some milita + clones fighting on one world against an antagonist with a droid army. Give them equal screen time and show the planets inhabits trapped in the middle of the fighting. Then set up an explosive ending when order 66 is declared and the Jedi and their milita have to join up with the almost defeated separatist forces to escape.

For Star Wars I seriously want them to MOVE ON!

There's a whole universe and thousands of years of history in both directions where interesting things can happen. Can't we finally leave the "Skywalker is the Center of Everything" behind yet?

Right now, even when they're doing Mandolorian or Rebels or Clone Wars, we have to constantly be reminded that Luke is More Important than the protagonists of the story we're actually watching.

PLEASE MOVE ON!


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 Tamereth wrote:

The idea of a trek show on board a klingon ship is appealing, as in many ways the Klingons are a bit more relatable than the idealistic federation. Watching a crew do some shady stuff to barter for better equipment for their ship etc, have some crew members that are questionable at their jobs. And absolutely no time travel.

One of the things I've like to see more of is characters who aren't really part of the Federation. Klingon Warship is a way to go.

But I also would like to see characters who aren't closely associated with one of the military powers of the setting. Like people with fewer resources who don't always know where their next meal is coming from. Those kinds of people show up in the setting from time to time, but we never really get into it much.

I wouldn’t say no to a fixed term Star Trek show about settlers of a new colony

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:


Something exploring Droid rights would be brilliant but done in a pulp space opera vibe rather than a Star Trek sci-fi vibe. Do not get me wrong, TNG Data plots were great for this but I would like a different tone… and not one where folks start calling an AI a SJW.

Well those folks usually aren't of the kind of people that have an opinion worth listening too, as the moment they start crying about SJW this, or feminist/lgbtq/insert whatever hot button word of the day is. It usually means that show or movie is really damn good.

Until Hollywood remembers how to write decent stories, I don't want ANY old franchise to be touched. Make them write all-new material and re-learn how to write again, not keep relying on nostalgia for old franchises to stay afloat.

Problem is with the writer's guild and so much old money in Hollywood, it's REALLY hard for new people with new ideas to get a foothold. And investors with all that old money are really afraid of 'new' things that might fail. So tried and true things that can draw on nostalgia or Oscar bait stuff gets made.

The only exception is when something truly independent comes by and sideswipes the status quo. And even then, Hollywood will try and copy that lightning in the bottle and try, and try, and try, till it's old hat and done to death.

Another problem I've heard about is the ongoing problem that effects and large show-stopper scenes are expensive and take time. But writing is cheap and quick.

So you get directors who plan around the part where the space ship crashes into San Francisco or the massive battle on an alien world, and then the writers have to find a way to join these bits together. And don't always succeed.

that's not the best explanation, but I read an article on this problem a few years ago and I could see the issue.

There are certainly more than a few films where you can clearly see the last 30mins defined the film as everything races to hit that event. I think its a problem when you've a director or producer that wants a super mega event at the end, but you also want it to be an origin story and start at "the beginning".

Man of Steel suffered a lot from that; they wanted the origin story, but they also wanted the galactic battle at the end. So suddenly you've got 2-3 films worth of content and plot smashed into 1 film.

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
Problem is with the writer's guild and so much old money in Hollywood, it's REALLY hard for new people with new ideas to get a foothold. And investors with all that old money are really afraid of 'new' things that might fail. So tried and true things that can draw on nostalgia or Oscar bait stuff gets made.

The only exception is when something truly independent comes by and sideswipes the status quo. And even then, Hollywood will try and copy that lightning in the bottle and try, and try, and try, till it's old hat and done to death.

I’d point folk to the Horror Genre as the best example of this.

Horror is of course a pretty wide genre. Slasher, psychological, creature feature, zombie, vampire. Lots and lots of different and often freely mixed sub-genres.

Saw, as in the first one, is solid. Cheaply, but well made. An intriguing premise never really seen or realised before. Being cheap, it turned a decent profit. Now. It’s own diminishing returns sequels aside? Everyone wanted a slice of that gory pie, hence emergence of the Torture Prawn sub genre. Some were interesting (Hostel), but most entirely missed that it still needs an interesting, if not necessarily interesting, premise.

Blair Witch Project. Granted I didn’t enjoy that one at all, but it birthed Found Footage as a sub-genre. Again, like many horror genres, they’re cheaply made, so don’t take much of a push to turn a respectable profit.

Paranormal Activity. Basically a new take on found footage, but with Fixed Camera, and some clever special effects. I love it. It’s sequels….less so. It’s impostors? Depends. I’ve a soft spot for the Conjuring Universe, but freely admit that’s despite them Not Being Very Good.

Going back further? Friday the 13th defined the Slasher genre. And has been oft imitated.

Indeed, one of the reasons horror keeps on coming back around is….they’re cheap and nasty to make. With just a relative modicum of competence and skill, you can churn out a multi-million dollar profit movie for not a massive cost sink.

Now, when it comes to Blockbusters. Those high budget, high marketing? We tend to get fewer, because they’re expensive to make. But much like Horror imitators often entirely miss what made a breakout good, and just go for buckets of gore? The DCEU kind of missed what made the MCU the MCU. Not just a steady hand at the tiller (hi, Mr Feige!), but the films having humanity at the core. You can have a flawed hero without that meaning They’re A Richard.

The MCU usually introduces us to Good Guy vs Naughty Version of Good Guy, because it helps paint the protagonist as someone of moral virtue, as well as incredible power. Because straight away we usually see what happens when a knobber gets the same powers. The fact our heroes are rarely corrupted by their powers keeps them relatable to some degree.

Compare to Supes and Zod demolishing a city because neither one thought “there is another way, can we at least try talking about this”, and you get the audience reaction of “what did you do that for, you Richard”. I know Batfleck has his fans, but I fear he was too deep a dive away from “Bruce and Bats is a good man at heart, just….a bit nutty”.

I think Batman in particular needs to lean into the Good Bruce Tries To Do. Because my opinion “Batman is addicted to beating up the poor” stems from pop culture Batman (not comic culture) never being seen to do anything other than beating the snot out of henchmen then the Big Bad, whilst doing nothing to address the core root of almost all crime (poverty and the exploitation of the desperate), or finding the GCPD to ensure more officers survive their time on that thin blue line.

This is where I feel Gotham got it right, and really should’ve spun off into a proper proper Young Batman series (and still could, I suppose?), as it at least answered the question of which came first. Batman or his Villains. Who caused who.

Show us that. Go for a proper dichotomy show. Or if you’ve really got the balls for it, and fancy finding out if the relatively casual viewer has similar balls? Run two shows. One of Batman Batmanning. The other of Bruce Wayne trying to solve the root causes of Gotham’s problems. But show both sides.

It's hard to top Star Trek Continues, but man I would love a Star Trek TOS seasons 4 and 5. Recast everyone (obviously) but go with period appropriate sets, direction and plots.

Heck give the ST Continues folks a license and let them make 2 more 26 episode seasons. It would cost about $5 and I'd watch it.




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 Kroem wrote:
By Reanimated series I thought you meant a ship crewed by zombie versions of the original cast?

Well it would still use their 70s era voice acting so there's a bit of zombieness in there.

So... one year later how have we done?

We got SNW Season 2, Piccard S3, and um, did we get a Star Wars show in there, it feels like we got a Star Wars show, but I can't remember it...

Are we getting what we want? Do we have new ideas?

Honestly what I've got is an annoyance at streaming services because I don't want ot pay for a halfdozen to keep up with things.

Eg it seems that Below Decks is leaving Amazon for Paramount

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... one year later how have we done?

We got SNW Season 2, Piccard S3, and um, did we get a Star Wars show in there, it feels like we got a Star Wars show, but I can't remember it...

Are we getting what we want? Do we have new ideas?

What I mostly want is some degree of quality. ST has generally done a decent job of that. SW on the other hand has not .... :(
For ST specifically? I want NO TIME TRAVEL. Stop doing that. Find a new plot hook.
For SW? I'd like to see them tell a SW story that does not involve Tatooine. In any way, shape, or form.
I doubt I'll get either one of these.

We’ve had Andor, and Ahsoka is releasing in just a couple of days.

Also Bad Batch S2. But we don’t talk about that because it was disappointingly bobbins.

I quite enjoyed Picard S3, and whilst SNW S2 had one too many “quirky” episodes, it’s still nice to have proper Trek back. That’s not to trash the quirky episodes. Just having two of your ten episodes being so felt a bit wasteful.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We’ve had Andor, and Ahsoka is releasing in just a couple of days.

Also Bad Batch S2. But we don’t talk about that because it was disappointingly bobbins.

I quite enjoyed Picard S3, and whilst SNW S2 had one too many “quirky” episodes, it’s still nice to have proper Trek back. That’s not to trash the quirky episodes. Just having two of your ten episodes being so felt a bit wasteful.

I don’t think SNW S2 had too many quirky episodes, rather it had too few “normal” episodes, and too few episodes in general. If it was a full season of 20-24 episodes instead of the streaming norm of half seasons then the number of quirky episodes would be fine.

As for what I want from SW and ST shows, it would be full seasons of them. I’ve had enough of the habit of 6/8/10 episode seasons on streaming services. With the number of platforms and the cost of them, we should be getting full lengths seasons. At the moment there’s a whole lot of waiting around for something to watch and then it’s over far too soon IMHO.

Me and my spouse would kill for a Star Trke show starring Mr O'Brien, he's our fave from STNG & DS9 by far

Season 2 of Andor?
A change to Star Trek to make it more like the Culture...



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ccs wrote:

For SW? I'd like to see them tell a SW story that does not involve Tatooine. In any way, shape, or form.

You had Andor?

After Andor, I feel safe saying two things.

1) The Empire is boring.

Least of all, because every story about the fight against the Empire is the same. Every Empire villain is more or less the same. Reva from Kenobi was maybe the biggest breath of fresh air there having a unique motivation for her actions, but the general quality of the writing in Kenobi was not good so... Still boring Empire fight gak.

The biggest waste in the franchise is the binning of the entire Old Republic Era and turning the High Republic somehow into something even more boring than the Empire. I'd take Legacy at this point. Legacy wasn't bad. A damn Yuuzhong Vong invasion wasn't bad compared to this endless repetition of the exact same conflict on repeat.

2) Star Wars doesn't know how to make an interesting hero who isn't a disinterested vagabond/orphan who has to be convinced to fight evil.

Where the feth is Wedge Antilles, who just signed up because the Empire is obviously evil and he didn't need any melodramatic convincing?

Even when it manages to find an interesting and engaging hero who breaks this mold, it only takes 1 season or less for them to end up fighting the Empire again (Mando). Or they're just plain fething boring and Boba Fett shouldn't have been boring.

Disney should just go ahead and Greenlight half the Star Wars: Visions shorts for full series. Mearly all of them propose more interesting characters, settings, and plots. Or at least find ways to cast the Empire with more character and flair than rehashing evil Imperial Paperpushers.

I get the feeling that within Disney especially right now is a hotbed of executives/creatives/managers/something who are die hard believers in the "just copy what worked before" mantra.

It can explain why we keep seeing the same kind of story structure - it worked before and they keep trying to remake the same magic and are afraid to change the magic. Even though the lack of change can result in a total mess or a "bleh" release.

The other issue is when they do change things it feels like they just ham them in. Or they are political pressure things off a checklist rather than taking something from the franchise lore and evolving that

I would really love a Battle of Britain/Piece of Cake/Flyboys style movie/series about Rebel pilots. I mean, that script practically writes itself so what is it taking so fething long? Take Piece of Cake's script, erase every time they say Germans and put in Empire, erase Spitfire and put in X-wing, change a few characters to be aliens, and you are done! You could even *ahem* wedge Wedge in there too!

It kind of reminds me about how they couldn't figure out a good spy-genre themed movie for Black Widow. I mean how hard can it be to make a spy movie and put Black Widow in it? It is not hard at all. Yet, a decade+ later, they still have not really managed it.

It just seems like either incompetence or trying too hard; or something......

I’d like none.
The problem right now is the complete lack of anything new. I’d Ike to see something fresh, new and different. A new IP. New worlds. New stories. And not in the same old tired IP worlds/universes Hollywood has been beating to death to get stories out of.

But I’m probably one of four people that actually would like to see someone try something new. I’ve had enough SW and Trek to last several lifetimes.

 Ghool wrote:
I’d like none.
The problem right now is the complete lack of anything new. I’d Ike to see something fresh, new and different. A new IP. New worlds. New stories. And not in the same old tired IP worlds/universes Hollywood has been beating to death to get stories out of.

But I’m probably one of four people that actually would like to see someone try something new. I’ve had enough SW and Trek to last several lifetimes.

You had the Expanse, don't get greedy.

 Vulcan wrote:
Until Hollywood remembers how to write decent stories, I don't want ANY old franchise to be touched. Make them write all-new material and re-learn how to write again, not keep relying on nostalgia for old franchises to stay afloat.

Pretty sure you mean that "until the investment groups that hold the pocketbook strings of studios and distributors remember how to take a chance".

Franchises and nostalgia sell, even just to hatewatchers.

I have all the ones I want.

If some of them annoy the gatekeeping nerds, so much the better - but those selfsame nerds have been in fandom since time immemorial and shall persist beyond the heat death of the universe.

Aash wrote:

I don’t think SNW S2 had too many quirky episodes, rather it had too few “normal” episodes, and too few episodes in general. If it was a full season of 20-24 episodes instead of the streaming norm of half seasons then the number of quirky episodes would be fine.

As for what I want from SW and ST shows, it would be full seasons of them. I’ve had enough of the habit of 6/8/10 episode seasons on streaming services. With the number of platforms and the cost of them, we should be getting full lengths seasons. At the moment there’s a whole lot of waiting around for something to watch and then it’s over far too soon IMHO.

SNW s2 definitely had some quirky episodes and when they went quirky, they went hard quirky.



The one major time travel episode in S2, the famous "crossover" episode was handled quite well, IMHO. . . if that was kind of how time travel was handled, I wouldn't be so against it, but we usually get horrible time travel.