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Can you use magnified glory to increase the range of glory of battle to 6" ? Glory of battle affects models or units in a given range, the WARLORD himself, and enemy models and units.

AURA ABILITIES
Some abilities affect models or units in a given range – these are aura abilities. A model with an aura ability is always within range of its effect. The effects of multiple, identically named aura abilities are not cumulative (i.e. if a unit is within range of two models with the same aura ability, that aura ability only applies to the unit once).

MAGNIFIED GLORY
Use this effect at the start of any turn. Until the end of the turn, add 3" to the range of aura abilities of LEGIONES DAEMONICA units from your army.

GLORY OF BATTLE
Add 1 to this WARLORDs attacks characteristics
While this WARLORD is within 3" of 6 or more enemy models, add 1 to this WARLORDs attacks characteristics.
While this WARLORD is within 3" of 11 or more enemy models, add 1 to this WARLORDs attacks characteristics.

Aura abilities have (Aura) in their names. If it doesn't have that, it's not an aura.

Aspect of Death (Aura) is an aura. Glory of Battle is not.

MadSpy wrote:
Aura abilities have (Aura) in their names. If it doesn't have that, it's not an aura.

Aspect of Death (Aura) is an aura. Glory of Battle is not.

I agree that aspect of death is an aura, because it fits the definition in the core rules, and has (Aura). Aura abilities are defined in the core rules, its abilities that affects models or units in a given range, i have provided the relevant citation. Glory of battle fits that definition, so its an aura ability. Just because it doesnt have (Aura) doesnt mean that its not an aura. The coe rule definition is still valid.

Glory Of Battle doesn’t affect models in a certain range. It affects one model based on how many others are in a range. It does NOT fit the definition you’re trying to jam it into, p5. This does not surprise me. Standard for your threads. Nothing to see here.

So, what you are saying, an Aura would not affect a single unit, because its not units, as defined in the aura abilities rule, or the definition of aura in the rules terms glossary ? Thats ridiculous.

Aura: A rule that is classified as an aura can affect multiple models or units that meet its criteria and are within a set distance of the model it is on (including that model itself). If a model is within range of multiple auras with the same name, it can only be affected by one of those rules at any one time (see Aura Abilities).

 p5freak wrote:

MadSpy wrote:
Aura abilities have (Aura) in their names. If it doesn't have that, it's not an aura.

Aspect of Death (Aura) is an aura. Glory of Battle is not.

I agree that aspect of death is an aura, because it fits the definition in the core rules, and has (Aura). Aura abilities are defined in the core rules, its abilities that affects models or units in a given range, i have provided the relevant citation. Glory of battle fits that definition, so its an aura ability. Just because it doesnt have (Aura) doesnt mean that its not an aura. The coe rule definition is still valid.

So by that logic any exploding vehicle is an aura?

 p5freak wrote:
So, what you are saying, an Aura would not affect a single unit, because its not units, as defined in the aura abilities rule, or the definition of aura in the rules terms glossary ? Thats ridiculous.

No. What people are saying is an Aura ability is something that applies to multiple units within a given range. This ability is the exact opposite. It applies to a single model, but depends on the number of models within a given range. It doesn't meet the criteria for an Aura ability.

I concur with Slipspace completely. Glory of Battle is not designated as an Aura ability and does not match the definition of an Aura ability. It therefore is cannot be subjected to any rules that affect Aura abilities.

It’s not an aura. So it would not be extended.

 p5freak wrote:
So, what you are saying, an Aura would not affect a single unit, because its not units, as defined in the aura abilities rule, or the definition of aura in the rules terms glossary ? Thats ridiculous.

Aura: A rule that is classified as an aura can affect multiple models or units that meet its criteria and are within a set distance of the model it is on (including that model itself). If a model is within range of multiple auras with the same name, it can only be affected by one of those rules at any one time (see Aura Abilities).

Not remotely what I’m saying. Others have summed it up above. You’re reaching. As usual.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
So, what you are saying, an Aura would not affect a single unit, because its not units, as defined in the aura abilities rule, or the definition of aura in the rules terms glossary ? Thats ridiculous.

Aura: A rule that is classified as an aura can affect multiple models or units that meet its criteria and are within a set distance of the model it is on (including that model itself). If a model is within range of multiple auras with the same name, it can only be affected by one of those rules at any one time (see Aura Abilities).

Not remotely what I’m saying. Others have summed it up above. You’re reaching. As usual.

Yeah. The keyword you ignored was "Can". An Aura "can affect multiple models or units".
Not MUST. Can.

Whereas Glory Of Battle cannot affect more than one model-it can only affect the Warlord.

I ignored nothing. It in no way fits the definition of an aura. Good grief.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I ignored nothing. It in no way fits the definition of an aura. Good grief.

I was talking to P5.

He's the one that ignored it.

 Valkyrie wrote:

So by that logic any exploding vehicle is an aura?

Yes, it is. It fits the description of an aura ability.

Slipspace wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
So, what you are saying, an Aura would not affect a single unit, because its not units, as defined in the aura abilities rule, or the definition of aura in the rules terms glossary ? Thats ridiculous.

No. What people are saying is an Aura ability is something that applies to multiple units within a given range. This ability is the exact opposite. It applies to a single model, but depends on the number of models within a given range. It doesn't meet the criteria for an Aura ability.

Ok, so glory of battle is not an aura ability. What about an aura ability applying to multiple units, does this mean an aura ability cannot apply to a single unit ?

The number of models affected doesn't change if something is or is not an aura ability. It can be just one model if there's just the source/origin model and nothing else viable within range of the aura; or it could be multiple viable units within range.

 p5freak wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:

So by that logic any exploding vehicle is an aura?

Yes, it is. It fits the description of an aura ability.

Slipspace wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
So, what you are saying, an Aura would not affect a single unit, because its not units, as defined in the aura abilities rule, or the definition of aura in the rules terms glossary ? Thats ridiculous.

No. What people are saying is an Aura ability is something that applies to multiple units within a given range. This ability is the exact opposite. It applies to a single model, but depends on the number of models within a given range. It doesn't meet the criteria for an Aura ability.

Ok, so glory of battle is not an aura ability. What about an aura ability applying to multiple units, does this mean an aura ability cannot apply to a single unit ?

Perhaps you should reflect on the difference between an ability that can only ever affect a single model, and one that currently only affects a single model but has the ability to affect more.

An aura CAN apply to multiple units.
Not must.

It can apply to one unit just fine. Or no units. Or seven.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I ignored nothing. It in no way fits the definition of an aura. Good grief.

I was talking to P5.

He's the one that ignored it.

Oh agreed then!

 JNAProductions wrote:
An aura CAN apply to multiple units.
Not must.

It can apply to one unit just fine. Or no units. Or seven.

But where in the rules does it say that it can apply to one unit, but not one model ? If an aura can apply to one unit, it should apply to one model as well. So what is it that makes glory of battle not an aura ?

 p5freak wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
An aura CAN apply to multiple units.
Not must.

It can apply to one unit just fine. Or no units. Or seven.

But where in the rules does it say that it can apply to one unit, but not one model ? If an aura can apply to one unit, it should apply to one model as well. So what is it that makes glory of battle not an aura ?

Can Glory of Battle apply to multiple models or units in an area?

An aura has to be ABLE TO apply to multiple models/units. It doesn't always have to be actively doing so, but by the definition given by GW, it has to have the capability. Glory of Battle does not. It only ever affects one model/unit.

But the definition of aura abilities doesnt say can. It says it applies to to units and models. Yet you say it can apply to a single unit, but not to a single model.

Because it doesn’t fit the definition.

Some abilities affect models or units in a given range – these are aura abilities.

The rule in question counts models in a range and uses the total as a trigger for a rule.
It doesn’t affect these models or units within a range.
It simply isn’t an aura by the rules definition, if you follow it and don’t add words that aren’t there. It asks you to count, not to affect.

You’re reading it wrong either (charitably) in error or (more likely) for attention.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Because it doesn’t fit the definition.

Some abilities affect models or units in a given range – these are aura abilities.

The rule in question counts models in a range and uses the total as a trigger for a rule.
It doesn’t affect these models or units within a range.
It simply isn’t an aura by the rules definition, if you follow it and don’t add words that aren’t there. It asks you to count, not to affect.

You’re reading it wrong either (charitably) in error or (more likely) for attention.

JNA said an aura ability can apply to one unit just fine. Thats not what aura abilities is saying, btw. If it can apply to one unit just fine, why not to the BT, which is one unit ?

 JNAProductions wrote:
An aura CAN apply to multiple units.
Not must.

It can apply to one unit just fine. Or no units. Or seven.

The rule doesn't have to define all the different possible numbers of units/models that an aura can influence.


It just defines that an aura will work over a given area and will affect ALL viable units/models within that area.

This means it could affect 1 viable model/unit or 2 or 3 or 4 etc...



The aura has an AREA of the battlefield it affects. It has an origin point and then a physical area around that origin point.

The aura might use a model to define its origin point. However the aura has an area around that model that it influences.



An ability like BT does not influence an area. It has one singular defined target.

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Because it doesn’t fit the definition.

Some abilities affect models or units in a given range – these are aura abilities.

The rule in question counts models in a range and uses the total as a trigger for a rule.
It doesn’t affect these models or units within a range.
It simply isn’t an aura by the rules definition, if you follow it and don’t add words that aren’t there. It asks you to count, not to affect.

You’re reading it wrong either (charitably) in error or (more likely) for attention.

JNA said an aura ability can apply to one unit just fine. Thats not what aura abilities is saying, btw. If it can apply to one unit just fine, why not to the BT, which is one unit ?

 JNAProductions wrote:
An aura CAN apply to multiple units.
Not must.

It can apply to one unit just fine. Or no units. Or seven.

Forget all your sidetrack nonsense, I’m talking the original thread premise.

The rule does not fit the definition unless you deliberately misconstrue it. Pointless attention thread is pointless.

Done here, please cease.