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I'd be all over this, although I really don't need any more models for the rest of my life. I still have my BFG Chaos fleet (including a scratchbuilt battleship), but I'd be fine with revised models. I would want them to be slightly bigger, so that they were more detailed and the smaller ships were less lumpy looking.

 Snord wrote:
I'd be all over this, although I really don't need any more models for the rest of my life. I still have my BFG Chaos fleet (including a scratchbuilt battleship), but I'd be fine with revised models. I would want them to be slightly bigger, so that they were more detailed and the smaller ships were less lumpy looking.

I can kind of understand that, but I tried to make the jump from BFG to Firestorm Armada when that happened, and the larger ships did not make me a happy bunny. The jump to a larger size meant a jump in cost and honestly, a decline in the feel of the board. Can't explain it rationally, but definitely didn't enjoy the larger ship size (though some it probably had to do with the flight stands, and given GW's current take on 'good flight stands,' I'm filled with dread).

Well sure, Epic and BFG are about the only ones left that matter. Let's have them! Then we can finally do 40K themed Campaigns at the scales depicted in the lore, from Space ship fleet level battles to Boarding actions, From epic scale ground warfare with Titans to single operative level skirmishes..

I dunno how much I'd want this, like Epic, I'd be concerned they'll screw up the rules, and probably spread the rules across a bunch of expensive books, and generally make it unappealing to get new players into it.

I was so excited when they redid AI, they literally just had to reprint the existing rules, and yet they screwed it up.

We had rumours about Battlefleet Heresy around the time AT18 came out, but I seriously doubt we’ll be seeing any ship action any time soon…

Smaug wrote:
IF this is coming I wonder if it will get a summer release spot and push 10th Ed into next year.

None of GW's side games are big enough to push 40k out of its expected release slot. The one that might come closest (Horus Heresy, because Space Marines) was still released in the summer slot of a free year so as not to get in the way of either 40k's or AoS's edition updates.

If BFG was released this year, it would probably be in the second half of the year as a spacer between the 40k edition poster boy codices and assorted model releases, or after the new 40k edition release is wrapped up.

 Snord wrote:
I'd be all over this, although I really don't need any more models for the rest of my life. I still have my BFG Chaos fleet (including a scratchbuilt battleship), but I'd be fine with revised models. I would want them to be slightly bigger, so that they were more detailed and the smaller ships were less lumpy looking.

If ranges are still measured base to base, and the base size remains consistent, or is at least just a case of a quick rebasing, the scale of the actual models may not matter that much?

Controversial opinion: I'd absolutely love for BFG to return, but only if the ships were a larger scale. Like, much larger. 40K vehicle size..... I know i am probably alone but I think larger ships would be so much cooler.

It would also reduce impact of manouver in game...

Or you would have serious issues with models bumping up each other with ridiculously small base compared to model.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As long as they don't shift it and make it just HH only.

It probably would be. Especially after AI appeared to flop with everything but marines.

HH lets them make one line of models they can easily leave to gather dust if it flops. If it's a smashing success they can make xenos and more chaosified stuff and expand into 40k (along with different ships for 40k marines), or if it's a middling success they can just release exclusively 'Imperial' designs they know will sell.

StraightSilver wrote:
Controversial opinion: I'd absolutely love for BFG to return, but only if the ships were a larger scale. Like, much larger. 40K vehicle size..... I know i am probably alone but I think larger ships would be so much cooler.

The bigger ships were roughly 40k vehicle size. The battleships were about 5", cruisers about 4". Predators/Rhinos/Leman Russes/Chimeras are all about 4.5" long, but obviously the tanks are boxed shaped so they are more voluminous in spite of being shorter.

How much bigger do you want them to be?

StraightSilver wrote:
Controversial opinion: I'd absolutely love for BFG to return, but only if the ships were a larger scale. Like, much larger. 40K vehicle size..... I know i am probably alone but I think larger ships would be so much cooler.

not a controversial opinion for me, but exactly that!
how awesome I've been waiting for a remake of BFG for ages, my first tabletop! I hope, if it comes, that a newer game system with new mechanics will come, also with a little micromanagement like AT... Maybe with fewer and bigger ships (after all, GW wants to sell new models!)

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

StraightSilver wrote:
Controversial opinion: I'd absolutely love for BFG to return, but only if the ships were a larger scale. Like, much larger. 40K vehicle size..... I know i am probably alone but I think larger ships would be so much cooler.

The bigger ships were roughly 40k vehicle size. The battleships were about 5", cruisers about 4". Predators/Rhinos/Leman Russes/Chimeras are all about 4.5" long, but obviously the tanks are boxed shaped so they are more voluminous in spite of being shorter.

How much bigger do you want them to be?

The larger ships are at a good scale, but the smaller escorts could do with a port to plastic and a slight increase in scale, so that they're not as 'blobby' anymore. Add in light and heavy cruisers, and something like superdreadnoughts above the typical battleship scale, and we're good to go. Superdreadnoughts would be stuff like the Gloriana or Abyss class, the highest echelon of orky contraptions, small hulks and such.

BFG making a return on the tabletop would be great. I hope they switch to Inches rather than Centimeters for consistency. It was the only game which measured in centimeters which was a little odd.

Cripple X wrote:
BFG making a return on the tabletop would be great. I hope they switch to Inches rather than Centimeters for consistency. It was the only game which measured in centimeters which was a little odd.

Epic and Warmaster also measured in cm. Of course, there is no particular rhyme or reason to using one scale over the other, it's simple enough to convert the scales.

Not interested. Like Epic, I can't think of many things more detrimental to the current state of the game (in the hands of fans) than modern GW's involvement. Eight books per fleet, card decks, and FOMO limited-release expansions? No thanks.

Between old rules and STL models, BFG is doing just fine without GW. The only thing I'd trust GW to do with the game at this point is reprint the rulebook and Armada, that's it.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Epic and Warmaster also measured in cm. Of course, there is no particular rhyme or reason to using one scale over the other, it's simple enough to convert the scales.

There is a reason. If you want to measure smaller ranges with the smaller models found in Battlefleet Gothic, Epic and Warmaster, then you use centimeters (unless you would rather measure in half inches).

 Ghaz wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Epic and Warmaster also measured in cm. Of course, there is no particular rhyme or reason to using one scale over the other, it's simple enough to convert the scales.

There is a reason. If you want to measure smaller ranges with the smaller models found in Battlefleet Gothic, Epic and Warmaster, then you use centimeters (unless you would rather measure in half inches).

Makes sense. Also, for the typical mass battle games, you want 1-3 D6 to produce 'typical' ranges of e.g. movement, charges etc. for common units like infantry or cavalry, so you use inches for these.

tneva82 wrote:
Or you would have serious issues with models bumping up each other with ridiculously small base compared to model.

Yeah, I have enough trouble positioning models in close formation or boarding actions, and often have to resort to removing the model from the table and inserting a proxy. It's a bigger issue in BFG than something like 40K because heading is vitally important, and ships already tend to overhang their 32mm bases somewhat.

I tend to think that keeping the scale as-is but using modern design and casting could produce significantly more detailed ship designs (especially for escorts) without needing to increase the scale. Some of the 3D-printable designs for escorts already out there look great and are still recognizable/distinguishable at a glance.

 Ghaz wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Epic and Warmaster also measured in cm. Of course, there is no particular rhyme or reason to using one scale over the other, it's simple enough to convert the scales.

There is a reason. If you want to measure smaller ranges with the smaller models found in Battlefleet Gothic, Epic and Warmaster, then you use centimeters (unless you would rather measure in half inches).

You can take all ranges and distances in BFG and divide by 2.5 to get near-equivalent values in inches, and since most everything in BFG is increments of 5cm, it translates fine. Imperial cruisers move 8", Chaos ones 10-12", weapons batteries get a left shift under 6" and a right shift over 12", moving through blast markers reduces your speed by 2", gotta move a cruiser 4" before it can turn, and so on.

The difference is mostly relevant to distances based on dice, primarily All Ahead Full, Ork weapon strength, and Nova Cannon scatter, but reworking those to use inches instead wouldn't be terribly difficult.

Personally I'm not too fussed either way.

As much as I adored Bf:G growing up, not sure how much interest I would have in a rules heavy naval game in space anymore.

The above mentioned likely limited run card packs, multiple books, and small run and quickly OOP required material to play are also something I generally don't enjoy but see with most newer GW games.

 catbarf wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Epic and Warmaster also measured in cm. Of course, there is no particular rhyme or reason to using one scale over the other, it's simple enough to convert the scales.

There is a reason. If you want to measure smaller ranges with the smaller models found in Battlefleet Gothic, Epic and Warmaster, then you use centimeters (unless you would rather measure in half inches).

You can take all ranges and distances in BFG and divide by 2.5 to get near-equivalent values in inches, and since most everything in BFG is increments of 5cm, it translates fine. Imperial cruisers move 8", Chaos ones 10-12", weapons batteries get a left shift under 6" and a right shift over 12", moving through blast markers reduces your speed by 2", gotta move a cruiser 4" before it can turn, and so on.

The difference is mostly relevant to distances based on dice, primarily All Ahead Full, Ork weapon strength, and Nova Cannon scatter, but reworking those to use inches instead wouldn't be terribly difficult.

Personally I'm not too fussed either way.

And the point I was making was WHY they went with centimeters instead of inches (i.e., they wanted the smaller range increments you can get with the smaller measurement unit of centimeters). It has nothing to do with converting from centimeters to inches.

StraightSilver wrote:
Controversial opinion: I'd absolutely love for BFG to return, but only if the ships were a larger scale. Like, much larger. 40K vehicle size..... I know i am probably alone but I think larger ships would be so much cooler.

At that scale, you’re looking at $50 for a single Cobra destroyer. There’s no way that game survives.

In the other hand, you can print BFG minis at any size, and there are some who sell STLs detailed for the size/scale you’re describing.

 Geifer wrote:

Smaug wrote:
IF this is coming I wonder if it will get a summer release spot and push 10th Ed into next year.

None of GW's side games are big enough to push 40k out of its expected release slot. The one that might come closest (Horus Heresy, because Space Marines) was still released in the summer slot of a free year so as not to get in the way of either 40k's or AoS's edition updates.

If BFG was released this year, it would probably be in the second half of the year as a spacer between the 40k edition poster boy codices and assorted model releases, or after the new 40k edition release is wrapped up.

It was more of a wish to go back to a four year cycle. I don’t think there’s a lever big enough to move the 40K cash whale, even Covid couldn’t move it. What’s the other game in the three year cycle? IIRC the last few years where 40K 9th, AoS 3rd, HH. Was it contrast paint?

StraightSilver wrote:
Controversial opinion: I'd absolutely love for BFG to return, but only if the ships were a larger scale. Like, much larger. 40K vehicle size..... I know i am probably alone but I think larger ships would be so much cooler.

Large enough to fill a bottle perhaps...I'd probably pick up a couple of those.

I could also see something akin to Titanicus with a bit of a zoomed in scale that focuses more on a smaller number of ships but in more detail, Sword/Dauntless/Lunar as Warhound/Reaver/Warlord kind of deal. Boarding actions with a ton of smaller pinaces, tugs and boarding craft coming from one ship to the other perhaps.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
As long as I can still use all of my old models, I'll be very happy. I'd still buy gobs of new stuff, but I'd love to still use all my old stuff, too.

You know it will be either a larger scale, for “our most detailed ship evar!!”, or entirely different designs and loadouts, because they hate old players.

Smaug wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Smaug wrote:
IF this is coming I wonder if it will get a summer release spot and push 10th Ed into next year.

None of GW's side games are big enough to push 40k out of its expected release slot. The one that might come closest (Horus Heresy, because Space Marines) was still released in the summer slot of a free year so as not to get in the way of either 40k's or AoS's edition updates.

If BFG was released this year, it would probably be in the second half of the year as a spacer between the 40k edition poster boy codices and assorted model releases, or after the new 40k edition release is wrapped up.

It was more of a wish to go back to a four year cycle. I don’t think there’s a lever big enough to move the 40K cash whale, even Covid couldn’t move it. What’s the other game in the three year cycle? IIRC the last few years where 40K 9th, AoS 3rd, HH. Was it contrast paint?

Middleearth, dear Smaug

Is it battle fleet Gloriana?

StraightSilver wrote:
Controversial opinion: I'd absolutely love for BFG to return, but only if the ships were a larger scale. Like, much larger. 40K vehicle size..... I know i am probably alone but I think larger ships would be so much cooler.

They have to change the scale at least a bit, otherwise people would be able to reuse their old minis

 schoon wrote:

StraightSilver wrote:
Controversial opinion: I'd absolutely love for BFG to return, but only if the ships were a larger scale. Like, much larger. 40K vehicle size..... I know i am probably alone but I think larger ships would be so much cooler.

They have to change the scale at least a bit, otherwise people would be able to reuse their old minis

How much do think GW needs to worry about mothballed fleets from a specialist game they haven’t made in years? Yes I know there are die hard fans still out there, and people can print/sculpt based off old designs. But if you are dedicated enough to keep the game alive, you are probably the kind of person who will hoover up the new shinies.

And by keeping a new version backwards compatible, they get to retain an experienced core of players who will grab the new edition and be playing it asap.

The loss of sales from people not replacing old fleets will be vastly made up but retaining and not alienating the existing player base.

Exactly!

Most people that stick with a game or army long term are more than eager to hoover up new models even if they are replacements for ones they already have.
Part of the hobby isn't just having an army, its building and painting and such. Having a chance at new designs, new ships, new game and all you'd see a lot of people buying into the new stuff.

You don't need to change scales to invalidate old games; heck keeping those old models viable is a hhuge draw to helping get oldies back into the game and playing and once they are playing they are providing players for new customers buying new fleets; the oldies are more likely to buy into newly released fleets and update their current ones or build a new fleet for a new faction etc...