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A detachment where the faction keyword is NURGLE ? Like a NURGLE CHAOS KNIGHT and DEATH GUARD in the same AoO detachment. You can give a chaos knight the nurgle keyword with favour of the dark gods. Some say that a keyword is not a faction keyword, but both sets of keywords are functionally the same.
An AoO detachment has a restriction that all units must be from the same faction, and that faction cannot be CHAOS. In this case it would be NURGLE. What is a faction ? The Factions that a unit belongs to will be listed in the Faction keywords section of its datasheet. If NURGLE is listed as a faction keyword on a datasheet, then its a faction. And because a keyword is functionally the same as a faction keyword, it also works as a faction keyword.

FACTIONS
A unit's Faction is important when building a Battle-forged army, because most Detachments require all units included in them to be from the same Faction. Importantly, for an army to be Battle-forged it must have an Army Faction (see below).

The Factions that a unit belongs to will be listed in the Faction keywords section of its datasheet.

9. KEYWORDS
Datasheets have a list of keywords, separated into Faction keywords and other keywords. The former can be used to help guide which models to include in an army, but otherwise both sets of keywords are functionally the same.

 p5freak wrote:

9. KEYWORDS
Datasheets have a list of keywords, separated into Faction keywords and other keywords. The former can be used to help guide which models to include in an army, but otherwise both sets of keywords are functionally the same.

The two types of keywords are not functionally the same in this specific instance. Only a faction keyword can determine a unit's faction.

You even quote where the 2 are separated...

And you would lose purity bonuses for both side so particularly stupid way to cheat. You are cheating to hinder yourself.

 Bilge Rat wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

9. KEYWORDS
Datasheets have a list of keywords, separated into Faction keywords and other keywords. The former can be used to help guide which models to include in an army, but otherwise both sets of keywords are functionally the same.

The two types of keywords are not functionally the same in this specific instance. Only a faction keyword can determine a unit's faction.

According to the Deathguard Datasheet I just looked at Nurgle IS a Faction Keyword, but according to the Chaos Knights Datasheets I looked at I see no way of giving them the Nurgle Faction Keyword. I mean I suppose you could name your Dread House Nurgle, but Nurgle <Dread House> is not the same as Nurgle <Chaos God I pledged to>

 Bilge Rat wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

9. KEYWORDS
Datasheets have a list of keywords, separated into Faction keywords and other keywords. The former can be used to help guide which models to include in an army, but otherwise both sets of keywords are functionally the same.

The two types of keywords are not functionally the same in this specific instance. Only a faction keyword can determine a unit's faction.

So, even if the rules say they are functionally the same, without any exception, you say they are not the same ?

The former can be used to help guide which models to include in an army, but can is not must.


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Breton wrote:

According to the Deathguard Datasheet I just looked at Nurgle IS a Faction Keyword, but according to the Chaos Knights Datasheets I looked at I see no way of giving them the Nurgle Faction Keyword. I mean I suppose you could name your Dread House Nurgle, but Nurgle <Dread House> is not the same as Nurgle <Chaos God I pledged to>

If a unit has the NURGLE keyword its functionally the same as having the NURGLE faction keyword. Thats what the rules say.

Do all the datasheets in the detachment have NURGLE in the "FACTION KEYWORDS" section of their datasheet? If so you are fine. If not, it's not valid.

The quoted "9. KEYWORDS" doesn't override what you've quoted for "FACTIONS". If anything it's a specific call out to this exact thing: "[faction keywords] can be used to help guide which models to include in an army".

Having a cursory look at Chaos Knights, it doesn't appear that NURGLE appears in the "FACTION KEYWORDS" section of their datasheet. You can however mix NURGLE Chaos Daemons and Death Guard because they both have NURGLE in their faction keywords.

Again, both sets of keywords are functionally the same, thats what the rules say. You are saying they arent the same functionally, which is not backed up by the rules.

No, read the quote you provided:

9. KEYWORDS
Datasheets have a list of keywords, separated into Faction keywords and other keywords. The former can be used to help guide which models to include in an army, but otherwise both sets of keywords are functionally the same.

It calls out one (1) specific scenario that they are not the same, then goes on to say that outside of that situation they are functionally the same.

What are you doing when you are building a battle forged army? You are choosing which models to include in an army. The one (1) situation where KEYWORDS and FACTION KEYWORDS are *not* functionally the same.

Ok, fair enough. Looks like i misunderstood the keywords rule.

 p5freak wrote:


If a unit has the NURGLE keyword its functionally the same as having the NURGLE faction keyword. Thats what the rules say.

No, that's not what the rules say. Nor does it matter because NURGLE is a faction keyword.

9. KEYWORDS
Datasheets have a list of keywords, separated into Faction keywords and other keywords. The former can be used to help guide which models to include in an army, but otherwise both sets of keywords are functionally the same.

Faction Keywords can be used to determine what can go in your army. Other Keywords theoretically not. I'm pretty sure GW has already broken this "rule" for any number of AOR but they also came after the rule was written and its also irrelevant as naming your Chapter PHOBOS doesn't make Intercessors a PHOBOS unit. The <CHAOS><LEGION> "Ultramarines" Keyword is not the same as the <Imperium><Adeptus Astartes><Chapter> "Ultramarines" Keyword even if both are chosen as Ultramarines. One of them is a LEGION keyword, one of them is a CHAPTER keyword. This was even in a FAQ somewhere in the past.

Jake has me convinced. You can make a NURGLE detachment with death guard and nurgle daemons because they both have the NURGLE faction keyword, but not with a NURGLE CHAOS KNIGHT.

You never did explain how you were getting a Nurgle Chaos Knight.

The confusion comes from how Chaos Knights get the nurgle keyword. Chaos Knights codex allows you to pay CP or pay points as a favour to give a CK unit the nurgle keyword. This is to key off other abilities within the codex that activate for god specific things. When you do this, the knights unit gains the keyword but this is not a <Faction> keyword. So that knights unit retains the <Chaos KNights> and <CHAOS> faction keywords. This prevents it from joining <Nurgle> units for the purposes of being in the same detachment.

 Nithaniel wrote:
The confusion comes from how Chaos Knights get the nurgle keyword. Chaos Knights codex allows you to pay CP or pay points as a favour to give a CK unit the nurgle keyword. This is to key off other abilities within the codex that activate for god specific things. When you do this, the knights unit gains the keyword but this is not a <Faction> keyword. So that knights unit retains the <Chaos KNights> and <CHAOS> faction keywords. This prevents it from joining <Nurgle> units for the purposes of being in the same detachment.

Then I'd read that ability carefully to see if it's the Nurgle Keyword or the Nurgle Faction Keyword.

Unfortunately, GW has done this keyword vs faction keyword several times in the Chaos codexes.

Chaos Knights can gain the Chaos God keywords, but not a faction keywords.
On the other hand Death Guard do have the Nurgle faction keyword and Thousand Sons have the Tzeetch faction keyword.
Many CSM units have the Daemon keyword, but not as a faction keyword.

Breton wrote:
You never did explain how you were getting a Nurgle Chaos Knight.

Its an upgrade for points, called favour of the dark gods.

 p5freak wrote:

Breton wrote:
You never did explain how you were getting a Nurgle Chaos Knight.

Its an upgrade for points, called favour of the dark gods.

OK went and looked it up:
This model gains the NURGLE keyword.

Not the NURGLE Faction Keyword.

 alextroy wrote:
Unfortunately, GW has done this keyword vs faction keyword several times in the Chaos codexes.

Chaos Knights can gain the Chaos God keywords, but not a faction keywords.
On the other hand Death Guard do have the Nurgle faction keyword and Thousand Sons have the Tzeetch faction keyword.
Many CSM units have the Daemon keyword, but not as a faction keyword.

I think this is one of the reasons that the "Daemons" Faction keyword is "LEGIONES DAEMONICA" now.

Yes. So that they can stop using Daemon when they only wanted the ability/stratagem to work on real daemons.