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Seraphon are by far and away the winners this time. Space marines look like they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Aecus Decimus wrote:


I think they fell into the "just because you can doesn't mean you should" trap with the move from physical sculpting to CAD. Now it's too easy to just copy/paste a bunch of stubbers on every random surface and let the slicing software figure out how to make a sprue out of it. Someone needs to beat them over the head with a "less is more" sign until they get back to the iconic designs that made 40k.

This. It literally looks cheaply bolted on, like babies' first conversion. It makes no sense in the context of the model, totally ignores the suggestion that there are some working mechanisms and stuff under the random plate it's bolted to, and in consequence makes the model look more like a toy than a 'scale model' that looks like it could work at least on a passing glance.

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
God I hope those saurus warriors can somehow rank up on 25 squares for old world...

Bold assumption base size stays same with increasing model sizes.

Dreadnought I like, except for the Heavy Stubbers which look tacked on by an enthusiastic newbie.

Aecus Decimus wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Agreed. It's like GW is memefying Primaris on purpose. "heard you like guns so we put guns on guns" and "you get a primaris lieutenant! and you get a Primaris lieutenant! We all get Primaris Lieutenants!". Primaris are looking more like Action figures as years go by..

I think they fell into the "just because you can doesn't mean you should" trap with the move from physical sculpting to CAD. Now it's too easy to just copy/paste a bunch of stubbers on every random surface and let the slicing software figure out how to make a sprue out of it. Someone needs to beat them over the head with a "less is more" sign until they get back to the iconic designs that made 40k.


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
It takes the basic redemption load out of melee with wrist gun, icarus rocket launcher, chin gun pair and swaps the heavy weapon arm for a second melee arm with wrist gun and bumps the chin guns from light to medium mounts. Similar to how the ironclad dread can have melta on the melee arms instead of just flamer or storm bolter.

Yes, but the Redemptor was already a mess with too many guns. This abomination is just a boxdread but worse.

Id expect 99% of people will get far more value out of a new dreadnought sprue than a flat square of plastic to put on the generally unseen bottom of a tank.

As opposed to yet another mediocre primaris model that nobody was asking for?

I can quarantee these marines will sell more kits than dorn would have got more sales with bottom sprue&price hike.

As is dorn complains are just from usual troublemakers who complain just for sake of complaining. If gw would make all rules and models free they would complain then as well.
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It's just complaining for sake of complaining and because complaining is cool. And youtubers get clicks for profit,

The small group makes lots of noice complaining as usual and majority just laugh "look at kids pretending to be cool"

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dreadnought I like, except for the Heavy Stubbers which look tacked on by an enthusiastic newbie.

Yeah, but easy to chop down and convert.
Its good to now have 2 dreads with several options each.

The new lizardmen are all wins. Just hope they rank up on square bases.

The arbites look great, hoping we get rules to use them in Necromunda.

The primaris stuff is so bad, close combat dread covered in guns. T-shirt launching heavies! The decent into saturday morning cartoon derp continues apace.
But the multi part lieutenant seems like a nice kit.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Spoiler:

I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...

JWBS wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Spoiler:

I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...

None of the previewed models stand out to me personally as a win asthetically. The Yo Dawg primaris are definitely the losers in the bunch though.

Chikout wrote:


Jes is still GW's lead 40k concept artist. All the primaris stuff comes from his sketches. They are very much his design. The only reason he isn't a sculptor any more is because he can't use computers.

Yes that has always been my assumption. His old stuff was better though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".

"Ar-bites" forever and always.

I like Arbitor Ian's pronunciation "ar-bih-tez".

NAVARRO wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dreadnought I like, except for the Heavy Stubbers which look tacked on by an enthusiastic newbie.

Yeah, but easy to chop down and convert.
Its good to now have 2 dreads with several options each.

It would probably look much better with a missile rack in the style of a havoc/cyclone launcher.

JWBS wrote:
It's a real shame that they've compromised their designs in a desperate effort to distinguish Primaris from Firstborn. If they had given us Primaris Devastators it would have been a great success, everyone would have been happy. Instead we get these. Jes Goodwin marines really were peak 40K, most deviations are strict downgrades.

Just having the smaller dual missile pods mounted over the shoulders while wielding normal heavy bolters, rotary cannons or whatever would look much, much better and would also recall the classic Warlord titan outline, making for an overall more 'imperial' look.

 warboss wrote:
None of the previewed models stand out to me personally as a win asthetically. The Yo Dawg primaris are definitely the losers in the bunch though.

None of them in the entire preview?

Funny how the Dark Eldar range that despirately needs an update only gets a sprue for Warriors.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 warboss wrote:
None of the previewed models stand out to me personally as a win asthetically. The Yo Dawg primaris are definitely the losers in the bunch though.

None of them in the entire preview?

For me personally, none. Except maybe Arbites cyber Scooby... he's ok. The only ones I actually dislike are the ridiculous primaris superduperdevastators.

 dan2026 wrote:
Funny how the Dark Eldar range that despirately needs an update only gets a sprue for Warriors.

I keep hoping they will do Mandrakes in plastic as a Kill Team.

 ImAGeek wrote:
None of them in the entire preview?

It shouldn't be surprising. If you don't care about AoS the 40k stuff was all pretty weak. Maybe the arbites were ok (though not my thing personally) but the missile marines are horrible, the new dread is another bland and pointless primaris marine nobody asked for, the HQ is yet another primaris lieutenant to join the 999999 we already have, the DE are a pretty bland and unimaginative standard kill team sprue, and the Cerberus is the same tank we already had but in a worse material. Oh, and I guess technically there's a new starter set if you somehow don't have enough marines already, but who cares about that. All the 40k stuff is a masterclass in phoning it in.

Aecus Decimus wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
None of them in the entire preview?

It shouldn't be surprising. If you don't care about AoS the 40k stuff was all pretty weak. Maybe the arbites were ok (though not my thing personally) but the missile marines are horrible, the new dread is another bland and pointless primaris marine nobody asked for, the HQ is yet another primaris lieutenant to join the 999999 we already have, the DE are a pretty bland and unimaginative standard kill team sprue, and the Cerberus is the same tank we already had but in a worse material. Oh, and I guess technically there's a new starter set if you somehow don't have enough marines already, but who cares about that. All the 40k stuff is a masterclass in phoning it in.

Agreed. I can appreciate some nice models for AOS and its various spin off games but it's not my personal focus so the models have to shine for them to stand out for me. These were competent remakes but nothing special but the entire reveal presentation was really soured by the poster children for the biggest game, the 40k primaris, being such a meme.

Not that my opinion counts for much but...

Seraphon - I really like, and as others have said, I hope they fit on square bases and rank up.

Arbites - Look good, but is that dog attached by a flimsy lead to the handler and they're on seperate bases? Have fun moving that in game.

Primaris - Just no. Looks like GW are 'Final Fantasying' 40k with the silly weapon sizes.

Horus Heresy - Meh. Just want those plastic jetbikes to be released and bring assault/jetpack troops out.

Chikout wrote:

Jes is still GW's lead 40k concept artist. All the primaris stuff comes from his sketches. They are very much his design.

His designs which weren't used in favour of the firstborn designs...

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Not that my opinion counts for much but...

Seraphon - I really like, and as others have said, I hope they fit on square bases and rank up.

Arbites - Look good, but is that dog attached by a flimsy lead to the handler and they're on seperate bases? Have fun moving that in game.

Primaris - Just no. Looks like GW are 'Final Fantasying' 40k with the silly weapon sizes.

Horus Heresy - Meh. Just want those plastic jetbikes to be released and bring assault/jetpack troops out.

The Primaris look like they're wielding T-Shirt guns.

Cawl pitching his latest ideas to Guilliman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf3RfidFKBw

Like the dread, and customisable characters are always a win.

Redemptor looks pretty cool, and looks to have a really usefull loadout. The option to give a dreadnought dual ccw and loads of shooty stuff on the "hull" should not have taken 10 000 years to figure out.

The only thing missing is a snarling mutated wolf-face looking out from the "sarcophagus" ,in my oppinion

Particular take away here is the joy of a multi option Marine model.

I know a couple of other recent character kits had options, so I’m hoping this is signalling a return to that preferable style.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They look like something which can be fired from the hip (yes I know they’re long and bulky) rather than the somewhat staid and boring Regular Tube Missile Launchers.

The word you're actively avoiding using for the Devastator, and which definitely differentiates between them and this Primaris disaster Marine, is "functional".

We can look at a Devastator with a Missile Launcher, and understand broadly how it is meant to work in the "real world".

These ones? Not so much.

They look like T-Shirt cannons.

And they could'a done something way cooler.

That’s it! I’ve been trying to figure out what they’re reminding me of and I figured it out. They look like a halfway house between the Flash Gitz Snazzguns and Lootas Deffguns.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Seraphon are by far and away the winners this time. Space marines look like they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I do hope that Rob Liefeld is getting royalties.

Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?