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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?

It is also envenomed, if that helps

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?

No, you are totally correrct LMAO!

It's because they are able to be so lazy with CAD now, they just modified the shotgun with a scope, supressor and drum mag and called it good

It does look good though to be fair so I can't fault them in this case.

....

T-shirt canon marines are so damned awful it's actually kind of awesome

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?

No, you are totally correrct LMAO!

It's because they are able to be so lazy with CAD now, they just modified the shotgun with a scope, supressor and drum mag and called it good

It does look good though to be fair so I can't fault them in this case.

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T-shirt canon marines are so damned awful it's actually kind of awesome

With Arbites the sniper shotgun kind of works in the fluff, in their old old Necromunda rules they had 'executioner shells' which were fired from shotguns, but were actually small heat-seeking missiles that could fly around corners and cover and could be -in fluff- programmed to pick out a specific individual from a crowd and stuff like that.

Also: they all seem to have bodycams

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?

It is also envenomed, if that helps

What do you mean?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?

It is also envenomed, if that helps

What do you mean?

Iirc imperial sniper rifles use venom darts/needles instead of shells in some cases.

I kinda like the T-shirt cannons…

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?

No, you are totally correrct LMAO!

It's because they are able to be so lazy with CAD now, they just modified the shotgun with a scope, supressor and drum mag and called it good

It does look good though to be fair so I can't fault them in this case.

....

T-shirt canon marines are so damned awful it's actually kind of awesome

With Arbites the sniper shotgun kind of works in the fluff, in their old old Necromunda rules they had 'executioner shells' which were fired from shotguns, but were actually small heat-seeking missiles that could fly around corners and cover and could be -in fluff- programmed to pick out a specific individual from a crowd and stuff like that.

Also: they all seem to have bodycams

Yeah, the Arbites have had those seeker-shells since second edition at least. It used to be that they got -1 to hit at short range but +1 at long range because the little robot brain took a moment to lock on. Making a longer range version of that with better target identification gear makes sense.
I’m wondering how that would work out in KT? It’s exactly the kind of environment where that sort of detail becomes important.

Cawl’s latest Space Marine weapons look familiar…..




Why is a genius Archmagos cobbling weapons together out of scrap?

I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...

Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.

It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...

Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.

It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.

What happens in the Gallowdark stays in the Gallowdark.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...

Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.

It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.

What happens in the Gallowdark stays in the Gallowdark.

It's not a fight, it's a Con.

The leader model in the Daughters of Khaine warband is awesome.

The GallowDark terrain is cool.

Warcry Vampires are cool and the Flesh Hound cult is both wonderful storytelling and amusing at the same time. Love it.

The Arbites are awesome.

Multi-part Lieutenant kit is a great idea.
No interest in the new Dreadnought, simply prefer the normal Redemptor.

The Primaris Desolators though.....Im torn between liking them and thinking every weapon choice on the same gun is just a little too much.....

Unless their datasheet is similar to Obliterators where you pick the weapon type before shooting then its going to be a mess if the weapon types are different in the box.

Vashtorr being stuck in a box for a few months with recycled Shadowspear sprues is an interesting take. Existing DA players needing to buy the whole set for Azareal as well makes me feel a little sad for them.

Tsagualsa wrote:


Iirc imperial sniper rifles use venom darts/needles instead of shells in some cases.

Imperium used 3 types of sniper rifle : solid round, toxin dart, and long las.

Judging by the cylinder, and the gun look like modified shotgun body that still keep the pump action, it's likely a solid round weapon which is the most versatile one that can use both high power and toxin round.

Memnoch wrote:


The Primaris Desolators though.....Im torn between liking them and thinking every weapon choice on the same gun is just a little too much.....

Unless their datasheet is similar to Obliterators where you pick the weapon type before shooting then its going to be a mess if the weapon types are different in the box.

From how they're presented on the box, it seems like it's another setup where the whole squad can either have the 4 smaller or the 2 larger missile pods on top of the small round missile thing, and either 1 in 5 or the the sergeant can have the bigger thing with 1 massive missile.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Seraphon are by far and away the winners this time. Space marines look like they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I do hope that Rob Liefeld is getting royalties.

Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.
We just need mohawks, belts, and exposed muscular thighs and we're back to good ol' 80s-early 90s cheese.

Those lizardmen are indeed nice, and it's a pity that they are for AoS.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...

Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.

It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.

What happens in the Gallowdark stays in the Gallowdark.

It's not a fight, it's a Con.

all this proves is the corruption of the arbites.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...

Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.

It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.

What happens in the Gallowdark stays in the Gallowdark.

It's not a fight, it's a Con.

Spoiler:

Safety first, get him his well-prepared assistants as well:

Was anything mentioned about how the Kill Team sprue for DE might be reflected in 40k? Might they get an updated datasheet, or a new one for this "Hand of the Archon"?

 Dysartes wrote:
Was anything mentioned about how the Kill Team sprue for DE might be reflected in 40k? Might they get an updated datasheet, or a new one for this "Hand of the Archon"?

The reflection will be an update for the rules proclaiming that you can pick

1 x can take y
1 x can take z

etc. etc. like the commando stipulations

Not Online!!! wrote:
all this proves is the corruption of the arbites.

"The loyal slave learns to love the lash." One of the more sinister 40k Thoughts for the Day, but oddly appropriate here.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...

Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.

He would go really well with the flesh hound fursuit guy from Warcry

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.

I think what bothers me the most about those guns is that they're very much NOT 40k. A bolter is 40k. A plasma gun is 40k. So is a melta or a lascannon.

Those are just modern "missile boxes" stacked on top of each other. There's nothing about them that says they belong in a setting where grav guns are a thing.

Then again, I think the original Heresy era ML is still the best.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".

"Ar-bites" forever and always.

So how do you spell "arbitrator" then? One would expect bot words to be spelled similarly, right?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.

I think what bothers me the most about those guns is that they're very much NOT 40k. A bolter is 40k. A plasma gun is 40k. So is a melta or a lascannon.

Those are just modern "missile boxes" stacked on top of each other. There's nothing about them that says they belong in a setting where grav guns are a thing.

Then again, I think the original Heresy era ML is still the best.

Fair enough, I can understand that complaint. They would probably look more at home in an Ork army, now that I think of it.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.

I think what bothers me the most about those guns is that they're very much NOT 40k. A bolter is 40k. A plasma gun is 40k. So is a melta or a lascannon.

Those are just modern "missile boxes" stacked on top of each other. There's nothing about them that says they belong in a setting where grav guns are a thing.

Then again, I think the original Heresy era ML is still the best.

To be fair, they seem to want to expand the 'visual alphabet' of 40k by reusing certain assets - for example that 'sixgun' missile pod also crops up in the Hekaton Land fortress and on other Primaris vehicles, so even if the design itself is new, there seems to be a consistent effort to establish a visual continuum between things.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.

I think what bothers me the most about those guns is that they're very much NOT 40k. A bolter is 40k. A plasma gun is 40k. So is a melta or a lascannon.

Those are just modern "missile boxes" stacked on top of each other. There's nothing about them that says they belong in a setting where grav guns are a thing.

Then again, I think the original Heresy era ML is still the best.

That's the thing with Primaris, isn't it? They are modern tacticool in design, so at their core they are already a deviation from what came to define Marines as we knew them for most of their existence. There's just no fix for that.

Although it's kind of telling that even among the many and varied dodgy design elements Primaris have, the belt fed pepperbox missile launcher with hunter killer bunny ears still manages to stand out.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...

much better than the real one

Well, this is something to wake up to.

Primaris: wth?
No and no. Just absolutely not.

Not sure why Primaris is once again competing with existing models with terrible concepts.
Plinko-gun dread follows the same gun ethos as the 'stealth' not-a-dread and has no reason to.

Missile rifles. . Indirect fire and multiple types is going to mean a terrible mess of internal balance, bad rules and wrong point costs.

Only hopeful thing is that Lt Blandy McBlanderson might mean a datasheet consolidation.

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Special Characters with recycled units box. Whatever. Couldn't care less.

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Witch elves- look, I know its the masks. I do. But Decrepit Grandmothers of Wresting isn't a vibe I'm looking for.

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Seraphon-
Ok. Ok. Ok. These took a moment- a small tablet was not the best viewing.

Didn't know I needed or wanted a super-detailed fat toad, but I guess I do. Needs to be sat on a plinth rather than held up by three vines, though.

Princess Mononoke Park Raptors are.. more intriguing than I thought.

Saurus warrior headplates took a moment to adjust to, but the sheer bulk and power of these models is amazing. Stellar job (but it took way too long to do saurus well)

But it is indeed a Great Plan, and a promise of more.

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Warcry-
Not sure either of these gangs are for me, but there are some truly excellent sculpts here.
Vampire rope monks are far more interesting than they have any right to be.

Still hate infantry models on cavalry bases, however.

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HH
Oh, hey, tank. If we have to not get infantry again, why not the demios vindicator variants rather than a suicide boat?

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KT

Well, ok. I... nah. Bland. Random helmets of non-protection are an odd choice and the overall look is uninspired and uninteresting.
I was expecting something more.

I suppose there is something new and different for the dark eldar, but can't be asked to figure out what it is. The bird, probably. Even more boring than Genericus Judge..

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Fantasy wins. By a lot.

Is the new Marine box called "Agastus" because the new Primaris unit leaves us aghast at the horrible design?