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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Full shots.

Note that they're all supposed to have shotgun and shield/maul builds AND 40k rules.

They'd better be available on their own!

They usually come out on their own when the next box comes out (about three months later)

Ok, some speculation on the 40k stats (i don't know enough about kill team to say what their rules their will be)

- the shotguns will be like most other shotguns: 18", assault 2, str 4 ap 1 D1.

-the shields are, i'd assume, something like storm shield lite/combat shield/endurant shield of the breachers: a 5++ and +1 to armour saves. assuming a 4+ armour save, i'd say these guys in melee build are going to have reasonable staying power for unaugmented humans.

-the shock maul is a bit on a unknown to me. I'm temped to say it would be a generic str user ap-1 melee weapon, but we could look at the other electric based weapons we have in the game. the necron tesla weapons and the admech taser weapons both have "6 to hit causes 2 wound rolls", so maybe they will go that route with exploding 6s? would be cool, even on a low str and AP weapon.

the special weapons are also a little vague. theirs clearly a sniper option and what looks like a heavy stubber/other machine gun. sniper is likely heavy 1, str 4 ap-1 and ignores Look out sir. That MG is intresting, though, its destinctly different in design than most stubbers we have seen, which almost all have circular barrels with no supporting furniture, very much like a classic US .30 cal, this looks much more like a substained fire version of the autogun with a full length stock?

interestingly, in the wide shots it looks like the sniper and the heavy gunner are two seperate models judging by thier foot postions, not alt builds of the same guy. i like this.

I think i saw a flamer or flamer like weapon in the video, or is that the Webber that maddoc is on about?

I would have prefered the older style kneepads rather than the knight armour/SoB knee armour.

im in the i like them camp.
i am seriously confused by the gimp mask though.
is that an attempt at a grim dark ski mask?
hopefully there are spare heads to get rid of that one.

Its one of those tacticool breacher masks isn't it? Just with some added spikes.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
That MG is intresting, though, its destinctly different in design than most stubbers we have seen, which almost all have circular barrels with no supporting furniture, very much like a classic US .30 cal, this looks much more like a substained fire version of the autogun with a full length stock?

The muzzle device (functionally non-function flash suppressor) is definitively heavy stubber, though it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled an ironhail stubber and gave it AP-1, because 9E.

KillerAngel wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
That MG is intresting, though, its destinctly different in design than most stubbers we have seen, which almost all have circular barrels with no supporting furniture, very much like a classic US .30 cal, this looks much more like a substained fire version of the autogun with a full length stock?

The muzzle device (functionally non-function flash suppressor) is definitively heavy stubber, though it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled an ironhail stubber and gave it AP-1, because 9E.

It matches the original Van Saar heavy stubber aesthetic quite closely.

edit - this one (not mine, posted by hammeyaneggs an awfully long time ago )

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
im in the i like them camp.
i am seriously confused by the gimp mask though.
is that an attempt at a grim dark ski mask?
hopefully there are spare heads to get rid of that one.

Give him the left arm holding the leash, and with the chained manacles we have ourselves a fun Friday night.

Arbites seem one of the better reveals this time around - but yeah agree that the riot shield seems very small

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Get daaahn Ernie, it’s the filth!

I hope they're planning a set of baddies that look like Big Vern!

I love this so much, i just hope on the weapons they have is grenade launcher so i can use my old unit that is in storage right now.

This is starting to look like the Agents of the Imperium may be getting a full army, if you add in the other micro factions, like the Inquisition, Assassins, Navy and now Arbites together and give them access to basic transports like rhinos or something similar and/or Valkyries, you would have a full faction. What are your thoughts?

El Torro wrote:
I’m not a fan of these Arbites, They remind me of Sisters of Battle, in a bad way. Not that I dislike Sororitas, I just want my Arbites to look the part.

Battle Misters of Arbites

I agree, they look too much like Sororitas and definitely shouldn't.

I've very happy to see Arbites getting new models (and rules).

These are quite a bit more medieval-looking than the various previous Arbites models. They may take some getting used to. Very cool-looking models, though!

Not really the topic - but I really dislike the DE addon sprue.

For some reason all of these sprues have screamed uncanny valley - like someone's taken the classic kit and added bits from another manufacturer - and this is no different. Not sure if its just that I've seen these kits hundreds of times so it always feels like an alien imposition - but still.

Tyel wrote:
Not really the topic - but I really dislike the DE addon sprue.

For some reason all of these sprues have screamed uncanny valley - like someone's taken the classic kit and added bits from another manufacturer - and this is no different. Not sure if its just that I've seen these kits hundreds of times so it always feels like an alien imposition - but still.

IMHO it's because the purely add-on sprues lack any feeling of weight and gravity when added to the existing sculpts - stuff like the feathers and charms on the DE don't quite hang right, it gives models in static poses a weird feeling of movement and dynamic models a static appearance, and causes what can only be described as vertigo.

I had such high hopes for the Arbites release. The Enforcers were awesome, which gave me hope for the real deal.

Alas. Oh well, at least some of the parts will be useful.

I like them. I realize tastes vary, but I was put off by the Enforcers and like the update to the classic Arbites.

The enforcers are better proportioned than the new Arbites, but I still dig the release. Looking forward to seeing the whole kit.

Dread Master wrote:
The enforcers are better proportioned than the new Arbites, but I still dig the release. Looking forward to seeing the whole kit.

The enforcers are also very tall; I hope these new arbitrators are closer to human height.

I've been gawking at these some more, and while I still feel these are yet another Blood Bowl team cameo in KT21 (just as the Novitiates were), I figured I can salvage 5 sculpts from the Arbites kit, the rest are just too derp for me.

Also dawned on me that since I haven't yet built my Navy Breachers, these Arbites could perhaps be kitbashed with them.. to create more medieval looking Navy Breachers Or more hitech looking Arbites.. like, How would the arbites look with Navy Breacher helmets? etc They both got the Robocop visor.. I hope they are compatible scalewise (ie as tall as each other)

 Taarnak wrote:
I had such high hopes for the Arbites release. The Enforcers were awesome, which gave me hope for the real deal.

Alas. Oh well, at least some of the parts will be useful.

Out of curiosity what don't you like?

I'd have preferred the padded knee and elbow pads but realize that might be a bit too Judge Dredd in these more litigious times. I love that they kept the hat with the HUGE EAGLE on it, the Arbites always had a mix of Tacticool and Medieval Stupidity.

Necromunda does them better...

SMH.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
The enforcers are better proportioned than the new Arbites, but I still dig the release. Looking forward to seeing the whole kit.

The enforcers are also very tall; I hope these new arbitrators are closer to human height.

Harder and harder to tell with the more recent base size shenanigans, but my best guess would be Kasrkin height. Looks to me like they are on 28mm bases.

 tauist wrote:
I've been gawking at these some more, and while I still feel these are yet another Blood Bowl team cameo in KT21 (just as the Novitiates were), I figured I can salvage 5 sculpts from the Arbites kit, the rest are just too derp for me.

Also dawned on me that since I haven't yet built my Navy Breachers, these Arbites could perhaps be kitbashed with them.. to create more medieval looking Navy Breachers Or more hitech looking Arbites.. like, How would the arbites look with Navy Breacher helmets? etc They both got the Robocop visor.. I hope they are compatible scalewise (ie as tall as each other)

We've essentially only seen 1/3 of the options. If the riot shield / shotgun guy happen to be two of the models that you like, you can have both of those x10, with some favoured specialists thrown in too.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
I had such high hopes for the Arbites release. The Enforcers were awesome, which gave me hope for the real deal.

Alas. Oh well, at least some of the parts will be useful.

Out of curiosity what don't you like?

I'd have preferred the padded knee and elbow pads but realize that might be a bit too Judge Dredd in these more litigious times. I love that they kept the hat with the HUGE EAGLE on it, the Arbites always had a mix of Tacticool and Medieval Stupidity.

The style of armor mostly. The medieval look would be fine for the Enforcers, but the brutal oppressors look should have been kept for the Arbites.

They would have been fine keeping the Jes Goodwin 2nd Edition era aesthetic I believe. They have been using it for several decades now after all, and have not exactly hidden it. Hell, given the craziness of IP law they may be able to claim the Dredd design at this point. lol

The thing that bothers me most is the exposed midriff, I think. Really stupid design decision IMO. If the cloth "armor" underneath the plates is good enough, why bother with the plates at all? If the plates are necessary, then the exposed midriff is an huge failure.

I do like a lot of the rest of the kit. The helmets especially. Love the dog too. Not sure about the Gimp mask though...

 Taarnak wrote:

The thing that bothers me most is the exposed midriff, I think. Really stupid design decision IMO. If the cloth "armor" underneath the plates is good enough, why bother with the plates at all? If the plates are necessary, then the exposed midriff is an huge failure.

Yeah, that part is bothering me too. Had not noticed it when first looking at them but after I gave it a second look I cannot stop thinking why would they make such a weird choice? I know it is a 40k but still.

The main change from the Goodwin sketches seems to be which shoulder is 'the big one'!

Uh, what? That sketch just brings home how different these Arbites actually are. The helmets, torsos, leg armor and knee pads…all totally different. The only thing they kept from the sketch were the two arms, two legs, and a head.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Uh, what? That sketch just brings home how different these Arbites actually are. The helmets, torsos, leg armor and knee pads…all totally different. The only thing they kept from the sketch were the two arms, two legs, and a head.

They maintain the single slit visor, the exposed mouth, the unarmoured abdomen and the plating placement. The style of the knee- and shoulder-pads sure has changed, and the body cam has been added, but they're still recognisably the same 'thing'. The biggest changes seem to be the direct Dredd knockoffs, like the chained badge and such.

Those drawings seem to show full carapace armor, even covering the abdomen. The pecs are cared out/enhanced, but they are not the entire torso armor.

Saying these helmets are the same because they both have an exposed mouth and eyeslits is like saying a scuba mask is the same as a hazmat mask.

The new minis look more like Tempestus Scions and Sororitas in their medieval style armor than they look like old Arbites.