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Dudeface wrote:
"Aww man, that tank looks amazing, let me turn it over" said nobody ever


You do realize that the hole is visible from more angles than just directly below, right?
   
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It's ok just put the tank on a base, problem solved.

Also if the tank parks atop a grot, is the grot within 1" of the hull? I feel like that hole is pretty wide...
   
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Dudeface wrote:
But no the goddamn plate on the bottom of the tank you won't fething see is the point you draw the line.



Funny thing is if I bought & built it as a gift to my nephew, you know the first thing they'd say(after thanking me)....I'll give you one guess as to what they'd say.


"Why is there no bottom?
They're 9

Nuff said

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Dudeface wrote:


"Aww man, that tank looks amazing, let me turn it over" said nobody ever


If you pick it up, you might well drop it because you expect there to be a hull underneath it as you examine it. No, you're not scanning the underside, but based on how people generally handle tank models, they'll stick a thumb under it expecting there to be something there as they examine the sponsons and other details.

I happen to have a cast 25mm Panther (which is hollow) and I have to caution people about it or they will drop it. Happened more than once.

Given that all other GW tank models have a hull bottom, I'd say a mishap is even more likely.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:

Are you saying GW shouldn't have shipped a complete model? Or are you just saying people just shouldn't criticize GW?


Neither! I see a lot of what seems to be considerably angry people ( given the language ) who will likely still buy models from them.

Oh?

I can only speak for myself, but my GW spending has massively slowed down because of their practices. Selling incomplete models at premium prices isn't helping them.

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Yeah, I was gonna grab 3 for my traitor guard but now I'll just 3d print them instead. I love assembling plastic vehicles but if the kits gonna be incomplete, I'd rather just print the whole thing and drop $ on a complete kit, like literally every other guard/marine tank. I generally only use my printer to enhance but with the Dorn, I'll gladly make the exception.
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Since discussion of the Rogal Dorn hull plate (or lack thereof) is threatening to take over the Imperial Guard news thread I am moving discussion here.

This would be the place for discussion whether or not we need to cover our Dorn Holes, how best to close a Dorn Hole, humorous takes, rending of garments and/or setting armies on fire.

Spoiler:


Note that there is now an STL for the missing plate, for people who own a 3d printer and for some reason want to fill their Dorn Hole but not print an entire tank.

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/dorn-tank-power-bottom-filler


I'd have to know more about the unit and its options. Assuming there are some magnetization options there, I'd probably magnetize the interior in a way I can swap it by reaching in the Dorn Hole, then magnetize a cover FOR the Dorn Hole. I'm kind of thinking about this from a Gladiator stand point, I'd like to be able to reach up the Glad Hole and swap tops using detachable magnetization, or tabs or what have you. I've seen people make Thunderhawks Magnetized so it disassembles for storage. Another place the Dorn Hole with Magnetized covers would come in handy.

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Racerguy180 wrote:
Yeah, I was gonna grab 3 for my traitor guard but now I'll just 3d print them instead. I love assembling plastic vehicles but if the kits gonna be incomplete, I'd rather just print the whole thing and drop $ on a complete kit, like literally every other guard/marine tank. I generally only use my printer to enhance but with the Dorn, I'll gladly make the exception.


Going to be honest, one of the look alike tanks I found to be much more pleasing. It moved those weird hull guns right at the front up so they are in a less awquard place. Turret a little longer, with the guns really looked snazzy.
Was clear what was based on, but someone take the design and really went all out.
   
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"I am Dornholio...!" No wait, someone did that already.

LunarSol wrote:I do want to see someone glue a unit of Cadians underneath carrying the thing like some kind of cardboard parade float.


It's like the Flintsto...

Unit1126PLL wrote:In the Imperium, you just leave off the whole floor, flintstones style.


Oh come on.

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Racerguy wrote:No you!


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What a hill to die on.

What a... hole to die on?

(Gimme a break, people nicked all the old cartoon references on me.)

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 Vermis wrote:


(Gimme a break, people nicked all the old cartoon references on me.)

What about putting a small r/c unit inside the hole and having the tank race around the board while playing Benny Hill music.

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In light of my GW-store guy every now and then just throwing in some bases for free when I'm there to buy paints and tell him I could use some more 25mm ones I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a jar of plastic cutouts fitting the whole in every GW store and they just fling one in with every Rogal Dorn.

Or they take it with some self-irony and print a cutout on the carton box it comes in to build your very own plastic/paper hybrid model

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 Pyroalchi wrote:
In light of my GW-store guy every now and then just throwing in some bases for free when I'm there to buy paints and tell him I could use some more 25mm ones I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a jar of plastic cutouts fitting the whole in every GW store and they just fling one in with every Rogal Dorn.

Or they take it with some self-irony and print a cutout on the carton box it comes in to build your very own plastic/paper hybrid model


Doing plastic cutouts would probably cost more than if they just did a extra bottom for it in the kit. Since you would effectively have to cut and distribute that. Cost wise, best they ignore it now.
Players life or don’t with it, but next time. Maybe they would design it with a bottom.

Or the backlash to the new marine kit drown it out completely and no one at GW notice at all.
I do wish I had a GW store with bases, never enough bases. Even EBay doesn’t have enough :(
   
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 Pyroalchi wrote:
Or they take it with some self-irony and print a cutout on the carton box it comes in to build your very own plastic/paper hybrid model


For a moment, I read that as having GW put a picture of the hatch on a milk carton, as if it was a missing person.

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I wouldn't be surprised if GW just did a pragmatic thing and the final design process went like this:

"Bob, in the current rules, Tanks can't drive up Walls anymore like they could, right?"
"Yes, Joe, we did away with that 5 years ago."
"Okay, and when they blow up, you don’t have to mark them destroyed, by, like, turning them upside down, right? "
"That's right, Joe. You just take them off the table."
"Well, Bob. You know, that Rogal Dorn sprue is already filled with all these guns and there's an idea I wanted to suggest to you..."
   
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 Pyroalchi wrote:
In light of my GW-store guy every now and then just throwing in some bases for free when I'm there to buy paints and tell him I could use some more 25mm ones I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a jar of plastic cutouts fitting the whole in every GW store and they just fling one in with every Rogal Dorn.

Or they take it with some self-irony and print a cutout on the carton box it comes in to build your very own plastic/paper hybrid model


Full page article in WD with a template you can cut out and samples of Dorn Hole Covers from the 'eavy Metal team.

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Since discussion of the Rogal Dorn hull plate (or lack thereof) is threatening to take over the Imperial Guard news thread I am moving discussion here.

This would be the place for discussion whether or not we need to cover our Dorn Holes, how best to close a Dorn Hole, humorous takes, rending of garments and/or setting armies on fire.

Spoiler:


Note that there is now an STL for the missing plate, for people who own a 3d printer and for some reason want to fill their Dorn Hole but not print an entire tank.

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/dorn-tank-power-bottom-filler


I've said it before. Take a piece of parchment (actually just a sticky note) and write "Censored! by Inquisitorial Edict" and put it on the missing base plate. That or put truck nuts on the tank.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Full page article in WD with a template you can cut out and samples of Dorn Hole Covers from the 'eavy Metal team.


That month's battle report highlights the importance of having a Dorn Hole Cover on your vehicle - crucial to the owning player winning.

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You know what's great? I do the same thing with my Rhinos except there's a friggin door plate to close the giant gaping hole back up.

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tneva82 wrote:
So. Some people complain, smart people think.
and don't buy overpriced display models for gaming?

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tneva82 wrote:
So. Some people complain, smart people think.



How many times did my mom tell me, "Son, when life gives you Dorn Holes, you make magnetized weapon racks".

Well done!

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
How many times did my mom tell me, "Son, when life gives you Dorn Holes, you make magnetized weapon racks".


I wonder if credit/debit cards will fit in there. GW could sell wallets that lock into the underside, to facilitate your next in-store purchase. Put a scanner into the tabletop, so that you can swipe it during gameplay. Think of all the time you'd save!


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I simply love controversies like these. Because while there’s obviously something inherently lousy about the missing bottom, watching people wind themselves into hyperbolic rants about it is like watching Van Gogh paint.

Given it’s size and role, the consensus was mild surprise over the price, which is between the repulsor and repulsor executioner. This despite GW typically using new models to set new price bands (and clearly doing so with the characters). So, this guy comes in roughly ten to twenty bucks cheaper than I expected.

Obviously the frames are jammed full of options already, so there’s not really room without cutting a ton of accessories. As noted, none of these sprues have any real potential for other kits.

So let’s look at this:
- model missing a bottom
- no obvious room on the sprues without losing a lot of accessories
- final price competitive with other heavy tanks from 3-6 years ago
- oh, and a single square of plasticard will fix the problem unless your actually flipping it over.

So, given everything we know, the options were going to be a fourth sprue and another $15 to list price, or a goofy compromise that keeps the price relatively low while prioritizing new crew and accessories over a simple scratch build.

If your argument is simply that GW products are expensive, or even the slightly more insightful argument that GW tanks are more expensive than scale models, congratulations! You are correct! Nobody disagrees, they just don’t care.


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tneva82 wrote:
So. Some people complain, smart people think.


See, this is quality content.

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There are people who are bothered.

There are people who aren't bothered.

Then there are the corporate toxic fanbois bending over backwards for daddy GW telling others that their opinions aren't valid because if they were, that would mean the brand they base their entire personality around wasn't infallible.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
There are people who are bothered.

There are people who aren't bothered.

Then there are the corporate toxic fanbois bending over backwards for daddy GW telling others that their opinions aren't valid because if they were, that would mean the brand they base their entire personality around wasn't infallible.


Well, that's a very lopsided representation of people with a heap of projection thrown in, are you feeling OK?
   
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 Polonius wrote:

- no obvious room on the sprues without losing a lot of accessories

This is untrue. In fact, as far as I can tell, the bottom could have been covered up without any separate piece on the sprue as the front and rear plates already go under the tank, they just need to be a little longer to touch in the middle.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
There are people who are bothered.

There are people who aren't bothered.

Then there are the corporate toxic fanbois bending over backwards for daddy GW telling others that their opinions aren't valid because if they were, that would mean the brand they base their entire personality around wasn't infallible.


Sadly, more and more so such sycophants are coming out of the wood work to enable toxic corporate sabotage of basic customer behaviors, dark times we live in...
   
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 lcmiracle wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
There are people who are bothered.

There are people who aren't bothered.

Then there are the corporate toxic fanbois bending over backwards for daddy GW telling others that their opinions aren't valid because if they were, that would mean the brand they base their entire personality around wasn't infallible.


Sadly, more and more so such sycophants are coming out of the wood work to enable toxic corporate sabotage of basic customer behaviors, dark times we live in...

Do you think it likely you will win people around to your pov with this attitude? Youre making me want to defend gw just to oppose it.
   
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Ok this fun thread is becoming a bit heated so I think it's time to close things down.

Just remember to always keep your Dorn Hole covered and you'll be fine.

 
   
 
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