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I had heard this was going to be out Nov. 2022, but his wackiness pushed it back.
'Wackiness' is putting it a bit mildly for incidents of domestic violence, some including minors, stalking, multiple arrests related to incidents of violence and harassment...
That gak right there has clear patterns of abuse, violence and manipulation, and it should absolutely not be played down as 'whacky antics' or whatever - victims of that sort of thing, and especially minors or dependants, have enough trouble already and are often not taken seriously enough, the last thing they need is being dismissed with this 'boys will be boys, what can you do' BS. From what is publicly known already, Miller has issues and should probably seek professional help immediately, no matter their artistic merit or whatever. Hollywood is absolutely not the place and system that cares or even acknowledges people's problems other than in sensationalist and intrusive ways, and situations like the one around Miller can easily escalate to absolute tragedy in very short time.
By and large, the public appears to agree with your perspective.
Can't understand why Warner released this film. It cost $250m+ to make plus around the same to market. On it's current trajectory, the film will not break even on production costs alone.
The cameo I was hoping for was in the movie, and it made me so happy.
There was one other cameo near the end that made me laugh really hard. The film had a lot of decent jokes. The action was also good, but not groundbreaking. All in all, I enjoyed this as much as I enjoyed Aquaman.
Kind of different seeing Ezra Miller *rescue* a woman. It’s a shame they’re a terrible person because they perform well.
AduroT wrote: The director is talking about the same scenes most people are complaining about. It is very much when Barry is in the Speed Force that the cgi is the worst. Again though, I did still enjoy the movie.
To me those scenes looked very obviously stylized, like he was seeing spacetime from outside. Reminded me of the “book paintings” in the beginning of Wonder Woman. I wouldn’t call the effect bad, maybe just not stylized heavily enough to distinguish from bad CGI for most audiences?
So I was one of the few to see this one, apparently I liked it a little more than the critics seemed to (I think timing was part of it because it suffers in comparison to Spiderverse), but wasn't blown away by it either. Thought it had a good, solid, honest emotional core to it, and a little something to say about identity and how one deals with loss. It certainly didn't live up to 'greatest comic book movie ever'. But there were a ton of people who couldn't wait to dunk on it and did. It's some of both, I think.
Regarding the third act/ending,
Spoiler:
I think some things must have changed when the new bosses took over. Originally Flash was supposed to be a mildish reboot that would make Keaton the official Batman, and they'd push forward from there. But that's kind of all pointless now since a total reboot is coming. So when the worlds were colliding, etc at the climax, I think it would have mattered more instead of being something that was (mostly) reversed. I know they also filmed a scene with Cavill to be part of an assembled Justice League bit, and I think it would have been nice if they could have made it work as a kind of goodbye and formally close that curtain. Maybe there was no way to do that, I dunno. So instead they ended it on the Clooney gag. I don't it landed.
TO ME, the critical reaction and the overall disinterest from the general public are some pretty big warning signs for the new DCU to come. I don't know that a reboot will solve any of the real issues and in fact it may actually exacerbate them. The headlines write themselves. "ANOTHER EXHAUSTING REBOOT FOR DC!" When their best reviewed and performing films have mostly been standalone (The Batman, Joker), it just seems weird to think that the problem is the lack of a highly shared universe. *shrug*
AduroT wrote: The director is talking about the same scenes most people are complaining about. It is very much when Barry is in the Speed Force that the cgi is the worst. Again though, I did still enjoy the movie.
To me those scenes looked very obviously stylized, like he was seeing spacetime from outside. Reminded me of the “book paintings” in the beginning of Wonder Woman. I wouldn’t call the effect bad, maybe just not stylized heavily enough to distinguish from bad CGI for most audiences?
Actually, I agree 100%. I think from a practical standpoint they knew they couldn't make all of that...stuff...as top-level, photorealistic CGI. Would have cost a fortune and took forever, and they needed to get this movie out the door since it's a dead-end anyway. So they went with a kind of stylized, wax figure/museumy kind of look. In retrospect they probably should have created more separation as you said. I dunno, maybe make it look like 2D comic book panels?
Comic book panels would have fit a lot better, especially with the multiverse homages to deceased/previous Superman and Batman actors. If the homages were their likeness represented as a comic or oil painting or something like that, I don’t think as many people would consider the effect ghoulish. But having a slightly-animated, practically still life version of the actors rendered in 3D seems to have crossed a line.
Personally, I thought those little send offs were far less cringy than Egon’s ghost showing up for the last kamehameha fight in Ghostbusters Afterlife.
Yeah...some folks are getting way too offended over those representations of actors they have no actual connection or relationship with. They were clearly meant to be short, respectful homages to DC TV/film history and not some kind of exploitation. A CGI Christopher Reeve walking and talking like an actual character in the film would be a different thing.
But that's the DC film-fan experience in a nutshell. Told a friend recently that they'd probably be better off shutting it all down for 5-10 years (except The Batman, Joker sequel, etc) so people would actually be excited about the content when it returned. As opposed to champing at the bit to be negative about everything and anything.
The time travel effect reminded me of something I couldn’t put my finger on…until now. The stylized museum-piece depictions of events bears some similarity to the time travel dream sequence in Star Trek 4.
TO ME, the critical reaction and the overall disinterest from the general public are some pretty big warning signs for the new DCU to come. I don't know that a reboot will solve any of the real issues and in fact it may actually exacerbate them. The headlines write themselves. "ANOTHER EXHAUSTING REBOOT FOR DC!" When their best reviewed and performing films have mostly been standalone (The Batman, Joker), it just seems weird to think that the problem is the lack of a highly shared universe. *shrug*
That sums up what they've been doing in the actual comics pages for the past 15 years or so.... so if they want the movies to resemble the comics....
TO ME, the critical reaction and the overall disinterest from the general public are some pretty big warning signs for the new DCU to come. I don't know that a reboot will solve any of the real issues and in fact it may actually exacerbate them. The headlines write themselves. "ANOTHER EXHAUSTING REBOOT FOR DC!" When their best reviewed and performing films have mostly been standalone (The Batman, Joker), it just seems weird to think that the problem is the lack of a highly shared universe. *shrug*
That sums up what they've been doing in the actual comics pages for the past 15 years or so.... so if they want the movies to resemble the comics....
I think there's a parallel there too in that what's going on in the comics still ultimately relates to the aftermath of the New 52 in a somewhat similar way to how what's happened in the Hamada and now Gunn eras has been about the aftermath of Zack Snyder.
To be clear, I think the New 52 had some *tremendous* runs - Snyder/Capullo on Batman, Azzarello/Chiang on Wonder Woman, Morrison on Action Comics, Johns on Aquaman, etc. But the editorial oversight was a mess, and readers didn't like how continuity had become so mushy. So they threw it all out -- mostly -- and then went for a big nostalgia play with a reboot (Convergence/Rebirth). Then they've just continued scrambling ever since with little relaunches (Infinite Frontier, Dawn of DC, etc.) and dropped-but-not-fully-dropped big reboots (5G), trying to convince readers that they nailed it this time but mostly looking like they don't know what they want the DC universe to be or do.
The particulars are different with the DCEU, but the studio has certainly been scrambling, and now it looks like the brand has some very real problems. WB panicked when BvS had bad reviews and did almost $900 million in box office. Well, this year they just pushed out three movies that were part of the last bosses' course correction. They were all better reviewed than BvS (albeit not stellar reviews) and none of them may even be profitable in the end. That's gotta have them pretty nervous at this point.
I’m convinced that box office numbers won’t return to the ~2018 heights for years, if ever. Sure, there seems to be one unambiguous big hit a season, maybe per month over the summer, but at the cost of every other movie’s success in the same period. Even Guardians 3 needs an asterisk next to its success, and that’s a well-regarded crowd pleaser.
For DC, there might not be any oath to (prepandemic) MCU-scale success. Ideally they’ll put out fewer big movies, or the same number of movies with more script time and smaller budgets.
Seems like the plan for the new DCU is closer to the carpet bomb approach...one unified story across films, TV, and animation. Feels like it would have been a good idea about 10 years ago.
I liked it a little more than the critics seemed to (I think timing was part of it because it suffers in comparison to Spiderverse), but wasn't blown away by it either. Thought it had a good, solid, honest emotional core to it, and a little something to say about identity and how one deals with loss. It certainly didn't live up to 'greatest comic book movie ever'. But there were a ton of people who couldn't wait to dunk on it and did. It's some of both, I think.
