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tneva82 wrote:

They won't wait until codex hits to hype new releases...

I hope you are right because I do not want to wait over a month longer than SM to see our new bugs.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

They won't wait until codex hits to hype new releases...

I hope you are right because I do not want to wait over a month longer than SM to see our new bugs.

The books are in Autumn, so anywhere between September and November. If Marines get shown in July; which they may not as the event ends 10th July and they'll be shown earlier, not specifically on the end date afaik. There's little reason for them to reveal the nid wave for November in August for example.

Yeah GW doesn't want the two feature armies to wait too long for their codex. Heck I'm honestly surprised they aren't already coming out mid July, but it might be GW needs that lag-time to clear the warehouses of Leviathan and then build up stock of Marines and Tyranids for the launch of both books.


Otherwise yeah all the "win" from this is, is previewing models earlier than the other force in one lump sum whilst the other army might come out in bits here and there. Either way there's no exclusivity or anything - both forces will get their full update roster and such when their codex land.

 Overread wrote:
Heck I'm honestly surprised they aren't already coming out mid July, but it might be GW needs that lag-time to clear the warehouses of Leviathan and then build up stock of Marines and Tyranids for the launch of both books.

They also have to release the new Starters and probably a terrain set that goes with them.

 Overread wrote:
Yeah GW doesn't want the two feature armies to wait too long for their codex. Heck I'm honestly surprised they aren't already coming out mid July, but it might be GW needs that lag-time to clear the warehouses of Leviathan and then build up stock of Marines and Tyranids for the launch of both books.

Don't forget there's still the permanent 40k starter set to announce, as well as individual releases for not just Leviathan models but also things like The Lion and Farsight. Plenty to fill the July gap.

GW will also want to give customers a bit of time to build and paint at least some of the Leviathan models. Release the next wave of models too quickly and many buyers will look at their hopeless backlog & decide that they don't need to spend immediately. That's why you often see a ~6 week delay between launch boxes and full codex releases, although in this case Leviathan is more like two launch boxes together so will get at least two months to 'breath'.

I'd bet on seeing the first 10E codex previews start in August, with release for the start of September.

September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

 Overread wrote:
September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

They could literally just show the models in mid-July, wait two weeks/have two weeks of something else. then do a couple of weeks of rules snippets, detachment and story previews to release late-August to early September. GW is quite adept at padding some weeks out if they need to, and there's also the starter boxes and related stuff to squeeze in. They can take some time to go over their errata and balance update, lots of Imperial Armour stuff is missing, and of course they can do endless filler content of people fawning over the greatest greatness that ever greated in form of the newest product Not everybody lives 8 weeks in the future like the online rumour people, the normal crowd will hear about much of this first thing from White Dwarf and Warhammer Community.

I finally got my Leviathan Nids built. Surprisingly pleasant experience although there were definitely few pegs I should have trimmed more and few that I should left intact. I used to cut away all the pegs completely but nowadays I just shorten them and make the hole wider with mold line remover.

I ended up repositioning Winged Prime, one Leaper and one Barbgaunt because they weren't centered on the base enough to my likening. Next up is 2-3 days of basing but then I'm away for couple of days so it will take at least a week until I can start painting :(

 Overread wrote:
September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

It has happened before, multiple times (necrons and marines were october, last time, iirc, and several AoS editions had long gaps between box and army books). And the roadmap was clearly 'Fall' for Nids and Marines.
It seems pretty certain that September-at-the-earliest is exactly what's happening, as advertised.

September isn't really that far away from the end of June, anyway.

To be fair Necrons and Marines was messed up due to Lockdowns and such. That entire release was abnormal

 Overread wrote:
September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

Hopefully you aren't one to complain about book churn then

tneva82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
September feels way too long, esp if they are doing a bit model preview mid-July. I think a Mid July Preview means that we will see them in August, likely early or scatter shot all through August, maybe one pre-ordering end of July.

I think a July preview and then nothing till September is too long a gap. That means going June, July, August without a single 10th edition codex.

Hopefully you aren't one to complain about book churn then

Hey I can complain about both at once ;P

 Overread wrote:
To be fair Necrons and Marines was messed up due to Lockdowns and such. That entire release was abnormal

GW can't produce stuff fast enough at the moment. It's not necessarily easier for them right now. Consider that nobody forced them to set the schedule the way they did. If we get the first two codices in fall as announced, it's because GW seems to think that's the best time to release them, no matter how much closer they were to the release of the new edition prior to the pandemic.

GW has also vastly increased their output for other games. You'd expect a sizeable Specialist Games release in August these days. Then Cities of Sigmar is getting a large release between the start of 10th ed 40k and the first codices. GW can only release so much stuff at a time. It's quite possible that what was abnormal three years ago is now the norm.

One thing to consider is that doing things this way has brought along unprecedented profits. That's a really strong argument for keeping things the same, even if pandemic conditions no longer apply.

Another thing is that due to the indices, all armies are at least nominally on the same level. There is something to be said for letting that novelty sell new stuff to all 40k players and keep the 10th ed releases to starter products for a while, and give it some time before dipping into the pool of people who want to expand their starter set armies. It might just be considered beneficial by GW.

GW isn't really a static company. They're a cynic's dream come true and have some habits that are as easy to predict as the next sunrise, but they do switch some of their approaches occasionally because they believe that they'll end up making more money that way. Doesn't mean the past is useless for predicting the future, just that there's no sense in getting too attached to it. Eventually policies will get revised.

The production thing sounds like a nice problem for any business to have. But it absolutely is a problem.

For instance, the Heresy Jetbikes still haven’t come back in stock after their initial sell through. And that sucks, because I want a squadron of nine. As I’m otherwise Heresy’d out owning everything else I currently want, that’s £120.00 GW isn’t getting for now.

Now let’s use an almost certainly low number out my arse of 1,999 similar gamers all wanting the same. That’s £240,000.00 GW aren’t earning for the sake of a casting run.

Rinse and repeat over many other hard to come by kits, and GW are missing out on sales.

Yes some folk will inevitably take the money for GW Project A and spend it on GW Project B, so the exact “loss” is bloody difficult to estimate.

But GW are still missing out on income because they’re struggling to meet demand.

Now we can point to Leviathan as a possible bottleneck in production, and hopefully now that’s out the gate we’ll see a rebalancing of production capability. And that does need to come. Especially for a relatively new launch like Horus Heresy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The production thing sounds like a nice problem for any business to have. But it absolutely is a problem.

For instance, the Heresy Jetbikes still haven’t come back in stock after their initial sell through. And that sucks, because I want a squadron of nine. As I’m otherwise Heresy’d out owning everything else I currently want, that’s £120.00 GW isn’t getting for now.

Now let’s use an almost certainly low number out my arse of 1,999 similar gamers all wanting the same. That’s £240,000.00 GW aren’t earning for the sake of a casting run.

Rinse and repeat over many other hard to come by kits, and GW are missing out on sales.

Yes some folk will inevitably take the money for GW Project A and spend it on GW Project B, so the exact “loss” is bloody difficult to estimate.

But GW are still missing out on income because they’re struggling to meet demand.

Now we can point to Leviathan as a possible bottleneck in production, and hopefully now that’s out the gate we’ll see a rebalancing of production capability. And that does need to come. Especially for a relatively new launch like Horus Heresy.

It's a problem to consumers that want that instant gratification, and a problem if a company requires making money on a day by day basis in order to thrive.

When it comes to GW, however, a lot of people are content to wait for the product to come back in stock, and then they'll buy it to finish the army/project. How long a customer is willing to wait is different per customer. Some will go to other storefronts or 3rd party stuff, but as long as it's still a legit GW kit they're getting, then GW already got the money for that.

GW slowly restocking things and people being patient means that GW is continuously selling through their inventory. To them, that's a great thing. It means less stale inventory. It also means a steady flow of income. I'm sure there's someone with a big excel spreadsheet on what to produce when, and various kits are on different schedules to be restocked based on perceived demand, forecasts, and other things. The balance is not simply getting everything restocked immediately, it's restocking strategic things in order to maintain a very steady and even income for the company that's both predictable and growing on a quarter by quarter basis.

The main thing we don't know is how much goodwill GW are burning by not having certain kits back in stock. The BEST thing you can do is hit that 'e-mail me' button, because that shows legitimate interest in a product that can tip the scale on what they put at the front of the print queue.

They've been clear that not-epic comes out in August, so I doubt they'll share the spotlight with marines/nids, so I'd suggest genuinely considering either end of August or September for either book then October for the other.

Just received my Haruspex and Tyrannofex. Over a week after ordering them *shakes fists at delays, despite accepting GW have been hellla busy but even so the first is shaken*

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just received my Haruspex and Tyrannofex. Over a week after ordering them *shakes fists at delays, despite accepting GW have been hellla busy but even so the first is shaken*

Most of the range is"temporarily out of stock" so you did well! The Index cards are out of stock in shop and online, not a big deal as the App works ok but a little annoying - I was able to get my buddies Marine and Necron sets but not the Nid ones I'd gone in for. Did they say they were limited or ami misremembering ?
Currently enjoying digging through my stockpile of models and building/repainting for the new edition..

Cards can get in the bin, as we’ll get replacements when the Codex hatches.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cards can get in the bin, as we’ll get replacements when the Codex hatches.

So I ordered, received and built my second Haruspex before you order even arrived?

Amazing...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cards can get in the bin, as we’ll get replacements when the Codex hatches.

So I ordered, received and built my second Haruspex before you order even arrived?

Amazing...

Must be the one perk of being down under, they sell so little directly you don't run out.

Starter sets https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/03/warhammer-40000-starter-sets-get-cracking-with-the-new-edition/

Prices will be interesting for those sets if we look at the 9th ones.

Not sure what to expect here as the Introductory one comes with paint, the Starter Set have a lot more minis than the 9th equivalent (including a large-ish one in the Psychophage), and the Ultimate one have a lot of terrain.

The Recruit and Elite edition from 9th were pretty good deal, as it was less than what one side had included in there, so were great to bulk up (maybe a bit more for the Necron side).

Those new one could be great addition for the Nids too if the price is right.

I definitely want the "Starter" starter set.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cards can get in the bin, as we’ll get replacements when the Codex hatches.

So I ordered, received and built my second Haruspex before you order even arrived?

Amazing...

Quite possibly! I ordered on the 23rd.

Dudeface wrote:

Must be the one perk of being down under, they sell so little directly you don't run out.

Depends just how down under. In NZ, items ship from the Australian warehouse so 10 day waits are the norm.

I didn't order it from GW. No one in their right mind would do that if they live in Oz.

As for the starterboxes, I'm not sure what I was thinking. Part of me hoped that the largest one would have the Screamer Killer, but that would also mean including the Neurotyrant, so I guess that was unlikely. Shame, as it would've flooded the market with cheap SKs.

I bought the nid half of Dominion from someone who just wanted the Marines, and I’m really impressed with the level of detail on the models. I’m waiting to see what else Nids get before I build them and (knowing me, never) paint them, especially now. I was previously of the mind that a lot of the ‘newer’ nid models are fine, and they probably still are, but I’m hoping there are enough new models and redos that I could make an army I’m happy with out of entirely new sculpts.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I bought the nid half of Dominion from someone who just wanted the Marines, and I’m really impressed with the level of detail on the models. I’m waiting to see what else Nids get before I build them and (knowing me, never) paint them, especially now. I was previously of the mind that a lot of the ‘newer’ nid models are fine, and they probably still are, but I’m hoping there are enough new models and redos that I could make an army I’m happy with out of entirely new sculpts.

I am waiting for the Starters to release, and plan to get the middle one as it has all new Nids I want 100%, and next I will do as you, waiting for new releases to see what I want from them, and what of the rest of Leviathan will get separate/multipart release (I hope for new Carnie kit that will have alternate head for the SC).

I'm less hopeful for sc kit. It's the expensive solo sprue. Gwwantsto sell that. And reanimator, stormcast winged lady etc that been on those sprues haven't got separate release.

Expecting screamer killer be just on sprue it's on now.