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Once again, if you haven't read my previous posts, I'm new. Sorry for the noob questions.

Anyway ... there are a lot of units (especially "characters", like "Librarian in Terminator Armour") that I don't seem to have any model. I can find "Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator Armour", but not the normal one.

Like wise, I can find "Primaris Lieutenant with Power Sword", but no with any other weapon combinations. And there's no miniatures for just the normal "Lieutenant"?

I had just guessed the GW sold miniatures for all the different unit types with a sprue of optional weapons so you could build them to the specs you like for your army.

I guess not. Am I right in assuming that a lot of these models are simply not sold and it's just up to players to kit-bash them together from spare parts?

If yes, can anyone recommened a good, fast EU shop that sells spare parts? I don't want to have to buy an entire box of space marines just to get one extra seargent's chest piece!

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Many codexes contain legacy units that GW once sold models for but either currently or no longer sells the model for.

There have been a long line of Primaris Lieutenant models, many which are no longer in production, with various options. They have finally gotten around to producing a Primaris Lieutenant model with most of the options that is currently in the Strike Force Agastus box. It will eventually be available separately directly from GW. Until then, Ebay has plenty available.

When it comes to OOP units, Ebay and other resellers are a good place to look. Just be ready to pay a premium price in some cases.
   
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Would it matter to anyone in a "serious/official" game if I just painted one of my normal marines differently (like with a gold helment or whatever) and said he was the sergeant, and then used the seargent's special torso & bits for another model and said that was a lieutenant?
   
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I would highly encourage it, just make sure that in some cases the base might not match. This matters rarely in a casual setting, so you might as well just use the base that comes with the box.

I believe the space marine tactical squad had enough bits to equip a Sergeant with combi bolter and a second with with a pistol and melee weapon. You should have enough head options to distinguish both from a regular tactical Marine. Use the sergeant with combi weapon as the squad sergeant, and the guy with pistol and melee weapon as a lieutenant or captain.
   
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 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:
Once again, if you haven't read my previous posts, I'm new. Sorry for the noob questions.


Don't worry it's a shared newbie vexation. Beyond alternative avenues and the options mentioned, when it comes to anything new I would say before investing too heavily you might hold off for the moment as factions particularly SM are about to get a refresh very soon.

   
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 Adeptekon wrote:
 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:
Once again, if you haven't read my previous posts, I'm new. Sorry for the noob questions.


Don't worry it's a shared newbie vexation. Beyond alternative avenues and the options mentioned, when it comes to anything new I would say before investing too heavily you might hold off for the moment as factions particularly SM are about to get a refresh very soon.

Well ... it's a bit late now.

And I only have "standard troops", which I'm kitting-out in a very "standard way". The dreadnought is awesome and also a 10,000 year-old relic, so I can't imagine that will got obsolete any time soon.

Also, from what I read, 10th-edition will be compatible with all exisitng armies ...


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I would highly encourage it, just make sure that in some cases the base might not match. This matters rarely in a casual setting, so you might as well just use the base that comes with the box.

I believe the space marine tactical squad had enough bits to equip a Sergeant with combi bolter and a second with with a pistol and melee weapon. You should have enough head options to distinguish both from a regular tactical Marine. Use the sergeant with combi weapon as the squad sergeant, and the guy with pistol and melee weapon as a lieutenant or captain.


Thanks for the tips. Aren't the bases a standard 32mm?

I was also thinking of painting the rim of the sergeant's base red - the lieutenants silver, the captains gold (or something similar to donate rank). Or if that looks too glaring, then maybe just a few small stripes or something. But maybe I'll just do them all black. I guess it doesn't matter too much, as long as the opponent can clearly see a difference in the models.

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 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:

If yes, can anyone recommened a good, fast EU shop that sells spare parts? I don't want to have to buy an entire box of space marines just to get one extra seargent's chest piece!

I always recommend Ebay. You can get a TON of stuff.

Also, you don't need a special sergeant's chest piece. If you really want one, go for it. I'm just saying it's unnecessary.

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 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:


Thanks for the tips. Aren't the bases a standard 32mm?


The primaris characters are on a 40mm base. I actually don't know the correct sizes for the firstborn marines (non primaris). In the Horus heresy starter, the praetors are quite a bit bigger and on 40mm. Personally, I would go with what looks best.
   
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Brickfix wrote:
 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:


Thanks for the tips. Aren't the bases a standard 32mm?


The primaris characters are on a 40mm base. I actually don't know the correct sizes for the firstborn marines (non primaris). In the Horus heresy starter, the praetors are quite a bit bigger and on 40mm. Personally, I would go with what looks best.


I really wish they'd stop making everything jumbo-sized.

I never played WH40K back in the day, but was into miniature painting. The standard used to be 28mm - or even 25mm.

For battle games like WH40K, where table-space is at a premium, it makes even less sense. Nobody wants to play a miniature war game with GI-Joe action-hero sized figures.
   
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Space Marine range is pretty well supported, but as noted, there are some holes mostly due retired miniatures.

But kitbashing models is a time honoured tradition, and perfectly acceptable. And marines are very amiable to this, as their armour design makes them easy to convert and as most popular faction bits are plentiful on Ebay and bit sellers. (Bitzarium is a decent EU store.)

So by all mean, kitbash your characters, just make sure they have roughly correct gear and it's absolutely fine.

As for terminator librarian specifically, the old model was retired a while a go and a new one is coming in the 10th edition starter box.

And for primaris marines, the various chapter upgrade kits have nice variety of weapons, and you can easily combine them with the liutenants and other kits.

   
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 Crimson wrote:
Space Marine range is pretty well supported, but as noted, there are some holes mostly due retired miniatures.

But kitbashing models is a time honoured tradition, and perfectly acceptable. And marines are very amiable to this, as their armour design makes them easy to convert and as most popular faction bits are plentiful on Ebay and bit sellers. (Bitzarium is a decent EU store.)

So by all mean, kitbash your characters, just make sure they have roughly correct gear and it's absolutely fine.

As for terminator librarian specifically, the old model was retired a while a go and a new one is coming in the 10th edition starter box.

And for primaris marines, the various chapter upgrade kits have nice variety of weapons, and you can easily combine them with the liutenants and other kits.


A lot of those "retired" minatures are technically on a "rotation" meaning they're not available now, but in theory will be again in the future when/if they do a production run. There's probably several posts out there about minis "rotating out" or some such - I think the last one was what about 6 months ago? Mostly SM and some Aeldari characters not?

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 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:
Brickfix wrote:
 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:


Thanks for the tips. Aren't the bases a standard 32mm?


The primaris characters are on a 40mm base. I actually don't know the correct sizes for the firstborn marines (non primaris). In the Horus heresy starter, the praetors are quite a bit bigger and on 40mm. Personally, I would go with what looks best.


I really wish they'd stop making everything jumbo-sized.

I never played WH40K back in the day, but was into miniature painting. The standard used to be 28mm - or even 25mm.

For battle games like WH40K, where table-space is at a premium, it makes even less sense. Nobody wants to play a miniature war game with GI-Joe action-hero sized figures.


That was actually a welcome change. Old marines looked silly on 25mm bases. Primaris would have looked extra silly.
   
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Just kitbash your characters using more decorative bits and visibly different painting. In all my history with Warhammer Fantasy and 40k I have hardly ever bought actual "pay through the nose for what you can kitbash yourself" character models.

I bought a few when they were metal and their prices weren't that insane.

For Space Marines cloaks also work well for denoting characters. If you don't have bits, cloaks are pretty easy to sculpt from green stuff.

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Hopefully we get some more Primaris Lieutenant models. God knows, we could use them.

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GW has your new Primaris Lieutenant needs covered!
Spoiler:
   
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 alextroy wrote:
GW has your new Primaris Lieutenant needs covered!
Spoiler:

The Agastus one is the first time we've had a "generic", multi-part Lt with options. It's also the first time some of those options have been on general availability since Dark Imperium has been gone.

Hopefully there will be a Phobos one to come, giving the Reiver one the option to retire.
   
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Will need to swap out the knife with the drippy goo.

   
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Spoletta wrote:
 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:
Brickfix wrote:
 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:


Thanks for the tips. Aren't the bases a standard 32mm?


The primaris characters are on a 40mm base. I actually don't know the correct sizes for the firstborn marines (non primaris). In the Horus heresy starter, the praetors are quite a bit bigger and on 40mm. Personally, I would go with what looks best.


I really wish they'd stop making everything jumbo-sized.

I never played WH40K back in the day, but was into miniature painting. The standard used to be 28mm - or even 25mm.

For battle games like WH40K, where table-space is at a premium, it makes even less sense. Nobody wants to play a miniature war game with GI-Joe action-hero sized figures.


That was actually a welcome change. Old marines looked silly on 25mm bases. Primaris would have looked extra silly.

Only because the miniatures are so huge. But you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying I think: It’s the scale creep in the lore more than in the models that is annoying me.

There was no need to make them 10 feet tall in the lore to justify making the miniatures a more correct scale. The old space marines that were 8 feet tall or whatever were plenty big enough to justify up-scaled models. They’re just making them huger and huger for no real good reason.

I’m saying instead of making special “primarus space marines” to justify making the models huge … just make the new models bigger. If the guys are 8 feet tall then sure, make models that reflect that. Everyone would still want to go and buy the new models anyway. They didn’t need to make the old space marines in the lore suddenly B-graders after 20 millennia of being the biggest bad asses in the cosmos. Because the Emporer of Man made B-grade stuff. It doesn’t fee right.

But it doesn’t work model-wise either. Because now they’re just as big as what they should have been at the start. They’re a step behind. What’s next? 11th edition with “ALPHA primarus” space marine models literally twice the height of a guard model on a 50mm base to justify primarus marines (who are now the new B-graders)?

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 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:
Once again, if you haven't read my previous posts, I'm new. Sorry for the noob questions.

Anyway ... there are a lot of units (especially "characters", like "Librarian in Terminator Armour") that I don't seem to have any model. I can find "Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator Armour", but not the normal one.

Like wise, I can find "Primaris Lieutenant with Power Sword", but no with any other weapon combinations. And there's no miniatures for just the normal "Lieutenant"?

I had just guessed the GW sold miniatures for all the different unit types with a sprue of optional weapons so you could build them to the specs you like for your army.

I guess not. Am I right in assuming that a lot of these models are simply not sold and it's just up to players to kit-bash them together from spare parts?

If yes, can anyone recommened a good, fast EU shop that sells spare parts? I don't want to have to buy an entire box of space marines just to get one extra seargent's chest piece!


Obviously, the conversation has moved on a bit, however, they *do* still sell the Libby in terminator armor, just not on his own anymore. He is still in production, however now you can only get him in this box set:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/combat-patrol-grey-knights-2022

It was one of the more odd-ball members of the Range rotation, like Captain Artemis or the Independent Plastic marine Captains.

   
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 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:
Once again, if you haven't read my previous posts, I'm new. Sorry for the noob questions.

Anyway ... there are a lot of units (especially "characters", like "Librarian in Terminator Armour") that I don't seem to have any model. I can find "Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator Armour", but not the normal one.

Like wise, I can find "Primaris Lieutenant with Power Sword", but no with any other weapon combinations. And there's no miniatures for just the normal "Lieutenant"?

I had just guessed the GW sold miniatures for all the different unit types with a sprue of optional weapons so you could build them to the specs you like for your army.

I guess not. Am I right in assuming that a lot of these models are simply not sold and it's just up to players to kit-bash them together from spare parts?

If yes, can anyone recommened a good, fast EU shop that sells spare parts? I don't want to have to buy an entire box of space marines just to get one extra seargent's chest piece!


Obviously, the conversation has moved on a bit, however, they *do* still sell the Libby in terminator armor, just not on his own anymore. He is still in production, however now you can only get him in this box set:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/combat-patrol-grey-knights-2022

It was one of the more odd-ball members of the Range rotation, like Captain Artemis or the Independent Plastic marine Captains.



Thanks!

I like the odder and unique stuff.

I might end up kit-bashing one, but for now I’ve gone with the Primarus Lieutenant as the warboss of this small army.
   
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 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:
 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
 The Pig-Faced Orc wrote:
Once again, if you haven't read my previous posts, I'm new. Sorry for the noob questions.

Anyway ... there are a lot of units (especially "characters", like "Librarian in Terminator Armour") that I don't seem to have any model. I can find "Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator Armour", but not the normal one.

Like wise, I can find "Primaris Lieutenant with Power Sword", but no with any other weapon combinations. And there's no miniatures for just the normal "Lieutenant"?

I had just guessed the GW sold miniatures for all the different unit types with a sprue of optional weapons so you could build them to the specs you like for your army.

I guess not. Am I right in assuming that a lot of these models are simply not sold and it's just up to players to kit-bash them together from spare parts?

If yes, can anyone recommened a good, fast EU shop that sells spare parts? I don't want to have to buy an entire box of space marines just to get one extra seargent's chest piece!


Obviously, the conversation has moved on a bit, however, they *do* still sell the Libby in terminator armor, just not on his own anymore. He is still in production, however now you can only get him in this box set:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/combat-patrol-grey-knights-2022

It was one of the more odd-ball members of the Range rotation, like Captain Artemis or the Independent Plastic marine Captains.



Thanks!

I like the odder and unique stuff.

I might end up kit-bashing one, but for now I’ve gone with the Primarus Lieutenant as the warboss of this small army.


Go for it mate! Not GW's fault they're overreaching their manufacturing capacity.
   
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I don't understand the need to exceed in the lore either and thought it was a little dumb going beyond 8 ft tall.

Supposedly the emperor was like 12ft tall? Not sure how he got by all those millennia without causing a scene and being tracked down everywhere he went.

The amount of genetic engineering involved to make a 12ft tall warrior of biological perfection might require a little more than what they get with the Primaris upgrade, but if anyone knows how the -edit- does so I digress.

As for the number of marines that can fit in the vehicles, well.


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I think it was strange they felt the need to address the rescale in lore at all. Just say we're improving the quality of the miniatures and why do you need to butcher the plot? The primaris plot development is by far the worst singular plot point in all of 40k now at this point. They had to let existing marines "upgrade" and grow another few feet so that the primarchs they're bringing back aren't midgets. It's just a mess. They could easily have just said "we're adjusting the model scale, don't worry about it, everything will just look better"
   
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WarhammerGuy4U wrote:
I think it was strange they felt the need to address the rescale in lore at all. Just say we're improving the quality of the miniatures and why do you need to butcher the plot? The primaris plot development is by far the worst singular plot point in all of 40k now at this point. They had to let existing marines "upgrade" and grow another few feet so that the primarchs they're bringing back aren't midgets. It's just a mess. They could easily have just said "we're adjusting the model scale, don't worry about it, everything will just look better"

GW already were upscaling Firstborn Marines - see the Deathwatch Veterans, Heroes series models, various Chaos flavours etc.

I suspect that GW originally intended to fully replace Firstborn with Primaris (thus having all those juicy Marine players re-buying their entire armies) as part of a Fantasy -> Age of Sigmar style shift. A similarity might be seen with the Ynnari, who appeared, merging the various flavours of Eldar, and then... GW did nothing with them... almost as if they altered course significantly.
We know that the design direction of 8th edition 40K was significantly altered at around the time that Age of Sigmar released. It's not a wild theory, I would suggest, that seeing the cluster fudge that the Sigmar launch was, GW dialled back their more radical changes for 40K to avoid their flagship product suffering a similar fate.
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
WarhammerGuy4U wrote:
I think it was strange they felt the need to address the rescale in lore at all. Just say we're improving the quality of the miniatures and why do you need to butcher the plot? The primaris plot development is by far the worst singular plot point in all of 40k now at this point. They had to let existing marines "upgrade" and grow another few feet so that the primarchs they're bringing back aren't midgets. It's just a mess. They could easily have just said "we're adjusting the model scale, don't worry about it, everything will just look better"

GW already were upscaling Firstborn Marines - see the Deathwatch Veterans, Heroes series models, various Chaos flavours etc.

I suspect that GW originally intended to fully replace Firstborn with Primaris (thus having all those juicy Marine players re-buying their entire armies) as part of a Fantasy -> Age of Sigmar style shift. A similarity might be seen with the Ynnari, who appeared, merging the various flavours of Eldar, and then... GW did nothing with them... almost as if they altered course significantly.
We know that the design direction of 8th edition 40K was significantly altered at around the time that Age of Sigmar released. It's not a wild theory, I would suggest, that seeing the cluster fudge that the Sigmar launch was, GW dialled back their more radical changes for 40K to avoid their flagship product suffering a similar fate.


The problem with Sigmar 1.0 was not the models (unless you happened to be a Britonian or Tomb Kings player....)
It was the RULES. Particularly the lack of most real rules & any kind of army building structure.
That and a lot of ill will by FB players who had the game they enjoyed not revised, but discontinued & replaced by the mess that Sigmar v1 was.

But oh yeah, if you squatted the SM range & replaced it with incompatible nu-marines? Then or now, no matter the quality of the rules, the problem will definitely be model related. Because all those people with existing SM armies didn't suddenly stop playing, vanish, or die off. They also havent actually stopped spending $....
But go ahead, see what'll happen if you invalidate a huge portion of your entire player bases collections.
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Hopefully we get some more Primaris Lieutenant models. God knows, we could use them.

I'm still waiting for the left hand dominant Lieutenant.

My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings. 
   
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You can kitbash almost anything when it comes to Space Marines. While the best bitz resellers reside in the UK (obvs), you can actually get them shipped to the EU as long as you're OK with dealing with customs.

Great bitz sellers in the UK:
bits and kits
bitzbox
Egghead Miniatures (specializes in FW stuff)

If you don't want to deal with customs, you still have some options:
Mega Bitz Shop (german)
Bitzstore (french)
Bitzarium (french)

Good hunting!

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 Lord Damocles wrote:
WarhammerGuy4U wrote:
I think it was strange they felt the need to address the rescale in lore at all. Just say we're improving the quality of the miniatures and why do you need to butcher the plot? The primaris plot development is by far the worst singular plot point in all of 40k now at this point. They had to let existing marines "upgrade" and grow another few feet so that the primarchs they're bringing back aren't midgets. It's just a mess. They could easily have just said "we're adjusting the model scale, don't worry about it, everything will just look better"

GW already were upscaling Firstborn Marines - see the Deathwatch Veterans, Heroes series models, various Chaos flavours etc.

I suspect that GW originally intended to fully replace Firstborn with Primaris (thus having all those juicy Marine players re-buying their entire armies) as part of a Fantasy -> Age of Sigmar style shift. A similarity might be seen with the Ynnari, who appeared, merging the various flavours of Eldar, and then... GW did nothing with them... almost as if they altered course significantly.
We know that the design direction of 8th edition 40K was significantly altered at around the time that Age of Sigmar released. It's not a wild theory, I would suggest, that seeing the cluster fudge that the Sigmar launch was, GW dialled back their more radical changes for 40K to avoid their flagship product suffering a similar fate.

They're upscaling everything. I suspect they bought in Primasis primarily as an excuse to make even huger miniatures (if you can still call them miniatures). Then they just invented lore and fluff to justify it afterwards so people didn't complain too loudly about "scale creep".

I have no problem with big miniatures if they are supposed to be big relative to other models lore-wise. But I do have a problem with just "making everything big". They're upscaling everything and it's a bit annoying. For evidence of that you only have to look at other games like Bloodbowl. The miniatures are all huge and an 32mm bases. Even the halflings are on 32mm bases. So yes, "scale creep" is a thing.

Why exactly they want to make everything huge, I have yet to figure out. They're less effective for tabeltop gaming where space is important, they're more time-consuming to paint, and I can only assume they cost more to manufacture. So it doesn't seem to make any sense. Maybe it's something to do with selling more paint? Along with their ridiculous paint-pots that are seemingly designed to waste as much paint as possible.

   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Hopefully we get some more Primaris Lieutenant models. God knows, we could use them.


I think I have 14 unique and official GW Primaris Lt models (and I hardly have them all)... and to think that now we're down to this... GW loves the pendulum swings

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/02/top-20-primaris-lieutenantsgw-homepage-post-4/

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