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What will happen to the PDF Datasheets when the Codices start being released?

Will they stop being updated and the codex supersede them, or will they be updated to
be in-line with the current Codex releases?

Thanks.

As it stands.....we don't know.

I THINK what will happen is they keep updating them and will only pay wall the detachment details, but I'm not aware of anything concrete on this.

GW said that all the Index cards will remain free and be updated alongside Codexes and Erratas. You can choose to believe it or not but as it stands the Index Cards have been updated so far.

I expect it will be like AoS was in 2nd, the cards are updated but stuff like the enhancements, strategems and detachments will be codex only - basically can see the unit stats before buying the models and can see what opponents stuff has

It worked quite well

Once the Codex comes out the datacards will vanish (one by one - not all at once). They're not going to give away the rules in their big printed books for free.

He says with absolutely no evidence beyond a chip on his shoulder.
I get you hate GW but when the Indexes have so far remained updated and the big selling point of this whole edition is free basic rules, you're currently just being saltier than the Dead Sea.

that is what the preview WC article wrote, that the Index will remain until the Codex is released

you can read that the way that the Index pdf will be replaced with a Codex pdf, but given that the army builder is not free any more when the Codex comes out, why should the units be?
(though it would be GW level stupid to assume people are paying for a calculator because they are bad at math while giving away the units for free)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Once the Codex comes out the datacards will vanish (one by one - not all at once). They're not going to give away the rules in their big printed books for free.

One can tell you haven't checked aos. Every single datasheet available for free. And has been for about 6 years at least.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Once the Codex comes out the datacards will vanish (one by one - not all at once). They're not going to give away the rules in their big printed books for free.

thats a nice argument, senator, mind backing it up with a source?



The "rules they are not giving away in those big printed books" that will induce you to buy them are the extra detachments, with associated enhancements and stratagems.

you can read that the way that the Index pdf will be replaced with a Codex pdf, but given that the army builder is not free any more when the Codex comes out, why should the units be?
(though it would be GW level stupid to assume people are paying for a calculator because they are bad at math while giving away the units for free)

...because they explicitly announced they are limiting the ARMY BUILDER segment , but have said nothing about the reference segment of the app? and the datasheets were free in 9th ed (it was just all the strats and such that were paywalled), so why not continue doing what they were already doing?

like why they stopped doing e-books but continue having them in AoS?
or that the army builder in AoS is free?
or why they moved units to legends after they sold the cards for them?

the argument "but in AoS" is a weak one as they handle that system very differently
same as "but previously" as if GW would want to continue what they had done before, there would not have been a reset

tneva82 wrote:
One can tell you haven't checked aos. Every single datasheet available for free. And has been for about 6 years at least.

Where?

Last I checked, all the free AoS scrolls were taken off the website.

 Gert wrote:
I get you hate GW...

Can you make a post that's about the topic and not about me?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
One can tell you haven't checked aos. Every single datasheet available for free. And has been for about 6 years at least.

Where?

Last I checked, all the free AoS scrolls were taken off the website.

 Gert wrote:
I get you hate GW...

Can you make a post that's about the topic and not about me?

They are free in the app.

Are they free in the 40k app?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Are they free in the 40k app?

Yes. Yes they are. Everything they released in the indexes, literally the entire body10th edition* is in the app.


*I will concede the caveat SO FAR, as they've made perfectly clear the new detachments in the codexes WILL be paylocked.

But I can see nothing that indicates they will remove or paylock the datasheets they've already released. New datasheets are also an unknown, frankly.


If you have a source that says they will paylock everything, please link it so.i can be corrected.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Are they free in the 40k app?

No AoS app. The 40K datasheets are free on the 40K app and won’t be behind the paywall as it’s only battleforge that will be. The datasheets are in the reference section. Free.

If we assume the 40K will mimic the aos one, they are identical really already, the reference section will contain core rules and datasheets free. Any rules form specific books likes mission, formations and enhancements only unlocked by a code from that book.

Army builder part is behind a paywall for warhammer +.

Pretty sure Stu Black said in numerous interviews before the launch of 10th that the datacards will remain largely unchanged even when a new Codex is released. The implication was that what we have now is probably what we're going to have for the entirety of the edition.

Codices will have new detachments and obviously any new units will require their own new datacards. I wouldn't be surprised if the datacards remained largely as they are now, with maybe a few getting tweaked for balance reasons. In reality we don't really know anything for sure until the first pair of Codices come out, which I think may be August.

Slipspace wrote:
Pretty sure Stu Black said in numerous interviews before the launch of 10th that the datacards will remain largely unchanged even when a new Codex is released. The implication was that what we have now is probably what we're going to have for the entirety of the edition.

Codices will have new detachments and obviously any new units will require their own new datacards. I wouldn't be surprised if the datacards remained largely as they are now, with maybe a few getting tweaked for balance reasons. In reality we don't really know anything for sure until the first pair of Codices come out, which I think may be August.

expect the codexes will be new detachments, with new enhancements and new strategems that are just better than the default ones

as you not the cards likely won't change except for errata so good luck with the idea that free wargear is going away any time soon (sadly)

with the cards outside the books it does make me wonder just what will be in the actual books? presumably the card pages will be printed as filler to be quickly outdated, then repeated fluff and photos.. but I do hope they get the price point right for what will essentially be a few useful pages

leopard wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
Pretty sure Stu Black said in numerous interviews before the launch of 10th that the datacards will remain largely unchanged even when a new Codex is released. The implication was that what we have now is probably what we're going to have for the entirety of the edition.

Codices will have new detachments and obviously any new units will require their own new datacards. I wouldn't be surprised if the datacards remained largely as they are now, with maybe a few getting tweaked for balance reasons. In reality we don't really know anything for sure until the first pair of Codices come out, which I think may be August.

expect the codexes will be new detachments, with new enhancements and new strategems that are just better than the default ones

as you not the cards likely won't change except for errata so good luck with the idea that free wargear is going away any time soon (sadly)

There's no reason you can't ditch the current points system and keep the datacards. Nothing about them requires, or is required by, the points system.

leopard wrote:
with the cards outside the books it does make me wonder just what will be in the actual books? presumably the card pages will be printed as filler to be quickly outdated, then repeated fluff and photos.. but I do hope they get the price point right for what will essentially be a few useful pages

I'm curious about this too. If there isn't going to be the usual unit profile info in a 10th edition Codex, and each detachment takes up a double-page spread (which is what they've also stated previously) then we're either getting loads of background info, or a Codex is going to be quite a small book.

Datasheets are also in codex as gw said . You can buy cards or codex. Both aren"t needed, both gives rules.

GW aren't needed is problematic though, they count playing without points with rules that come inside the boxes as a valid way to play. When they say that something will be free or people will still be able to do X, this often excludes matched played, which for a gigantic part of the community means the books are obligatory.

Plus they better write new units, new rules and new points costs for armies. Any army which is bad now, would be an even worse state if its update was just 1-2 extra detachments and maybe 1-2 new or updated models.

It's ironic that GW's solution to "GW rules are so bad they should be free" is to just make them free.

I mean, it's a valid answer, but it's literally the only answer besides "do better on the rules" and I guess that would be too hard.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
It's ironic that GW's solution to "GW rules are so bad they should be free" is to just make them free.

I mean, it's a valid answer, but it's literally the only answer besides "do better on the rules" and I guess that would be too hard.

Given how good of rules you can get in other games also for free, I'm not sure there's a level of quality they could reach that would validate the price.