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Generally, the WA fantasy and Sci-fi ranges come without puddle bases, as that's what the market expects, while their historical ranges have puddle bases because that's what those customers expect. Puddle bases are pretty helpful when multibasing - which is the norm for most historicals up to the 19th century.

Guards of Traitor's Toll is not actually a WA product - it's outsource work for Grey-For-Now Games, just like their 0200 Hours range, so it's not really up to them whether to include puddle bases or not, that's up to the client.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
They make a load of bases, and they also sold base-less models before they sold bases, so no excuse there.

Then I got nuthin'.

Well, you could say it's to make you buy their bases that are designed to hide puddle bases . (I don’t actually think that's their intention).

Insane as it may sound there may be import duty/tarrif reasons for using puddle bases as compared to bases you have to stick on yourself

(https://www.gov.uk/guidance/classifying-toys-games-and-festive-articles-for-import-and-export#toys-representing-human-beings-animals-or-non-human-creatures)

the above link was for the UK but the regulations are under review at present

but being puddle based or not can influence which one of the bajillion categories they fit into(no I don't understand customs codes, I suspect very few do, maybe they just wing it) ,

and especially if your planning to have a boxed game could influence your costs

that said i suspect customer expectations may be the biggest driver as somebody mentioned earlier

And I thought US laws were wacky and poorly thought out.

The Traitor Toll Guards are definitely a buy. I’ve really been enjoying the stuff WGA has been putting out.

Could I ask that a separate thread in Discussions be created to discuss Puddle Bases? I don’t think they’re News (lots of minis have ‘em), and they’re not Rumors (they’re right there on the mini). I come here for N&R and it’s all about puddle bases.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Insane as it may sound there may be import duty/tarrif reasons for using puddle bases as compared to bases you have to stick on yourself

(https://www.gov.uk/guidance/classifying-toys-games-and-festive-articles-for-import-and-export#toys-representing-human-beings-animals-or-non-human-creatures)

the above link was for the UK but the regulations are under review at present

but being puddle based or not can influence which one of the bajillion categories they fit into(no I don't understand customs codes, I suspect very few do, maybe they just wing it) ,

and especially if your planning to have a boxed game could influence your costs

that said i suspect customer expectations may be the biggest driver as somebody mentioned earlier

No, bases are not a relevant determinant in any of those categories, and that guidance was withdrawn over a year ago. Manufacturers, like Wargames Atlantic, who produce miniatures both with puddle-style bases and models intended to be glued onto bases by the feet will be importing and exporting both of those types under the same codes, in the same shipments. Most of the categories do not make any difference to duties anyway.

Not a fan of puddle bases but while they're better, flat footed minis aren't always perfect either. They are great if you're using plastic bases, but for resin or other basing superglue isn't ideal for basing and pinning a bunch of minis is annoying.

Am I alone in still wanting to see slotta tabs or foot pegs on plastic figures?

For Slotta basses:

-Slotta basses are still widely available and any company can buy them in bulk cheaply if they wish to sell with their minis.

-Slotta tabs are easy to cut into pegs if you wish to firmly anchor the minis, especially useful for fancy scenic bases that aren't made of plastic.

-Slotta tabs have a straight side that makes them usually quite easy to trim off if you wish to glue them down flat-footed.

Foot pegs are similarly useful except for the use of slotta bases. You can quickly cut a matching peg hole in a plastic base with a craft knife, and they'd be even easier than slotta tabs to remove when gluing to a plastic base.

Yes I would love slotta tabs or foot pegs, and so should sculptors, gives them a bit more leeway in orienting the figure on the sprue than the direct head-on a flat base requires.

In other news, Damned beastmen sprue with delightful boar heads.

Beastman sprue layout.

While I remain underwhelmed by the bodies / legs (jacket and no pants seems too 'funny animal cartoon' to me) this looks like a rich source of melee weapons and empty hands if you want more options for officers and the like.

I personally really like the classic slotta tabs because they're really easy to take off any figure and if you don't do that, they're really easy to mount onto normal bases as well. But somehow they fell out of favour in the market.

I do like the mix of modern Firearms and Melee weapons.

I really like this sprue/frame.
Great head options and the bodies are just fine.
The reason they are not wearing trousers, is that they are free of any good and lawful norms and they are dammed if they will wear trousers.

Liking the beastmen sprue.

I didn't mind the no pants thing. The tops look like light leather armor. Cool multi genre set.

This might cause me to abandon trying to clean all the flash off the Dark Alliance minotaurs I was going to use as beastmen.

Looks like an armor plate over the chest to me ...

I like this sprue, especially some of the gestures

Full sprue pics are out and they all look good. Glad I pledged enough to get some of everything (except the 'hounds' maybe, the animals look pretty bad, but I like the goads that the handlers have so I might get one sprue).

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/mwg--wargames-atlantic/the-damned/updates/69

link to the update since the images aren't new just the finalised info on what you get when picking each as a free sprue

Foot pegs.

Foot pegs!

FOOOOT! PEGS!

I like Foot pegs.

and as the Damned get closer



don't forget to finalise (or change if you need to) your free sprue picks and then checkout..... Or grab a very late pledge now you've seen all that's going to be produced

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and as the Damned get closer



don't forget to finalise (or change if you need to) your free sprue picks and then checkout..... Or grab a very late pledge now you've seen all that's going to be produced

AND Valkir are back!

https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/valkir-heavy-troopers?srsltid=AfmBOoqgQZK_Pmznn0z3zDSbqDKo8TEiqzl6s_8Ttr9QPCS0Vsk1sRED

Those are some perfectly nice beastmen. I enjoy the light cartoony touch, it's very 2nd ed 40K and makes them appropriate for a broader range of game settings. I really appreciate the goat, boar and catdog head options. It goes a long way towards making them feel too coherent.

WGA teased there are some additional Baron's War kits coming in their Friday email beyond the 5 previously announced. Maybe we can finally get a plastic Camel kit for the Crusades and Outremer.

Outrider frame

Taking a quick look at The Damned Outrider sprue as it comes off the press.
Good day you lovely Damned backers!

Today it's the turn of The Damned Outrider sprue to be shown. I'm really looking forward to see what people do with these guys. My favourite parts have got to be the horse heads! And the fact that there will be plain horse heads on the horse frame that need to find a home, I can envisage a lot of gruesome trophies doing the rounds!

And the reverse!

I have an email prepared for the EU backers with regards to the tax and additional reward. That will be sent out as soon as I have all of your emails grouped together.

It is unlikely that I will have another update for you before Christmas. So to all of you that celebrate I wish you a happy one!

Lot's to look forward to in the New Year!

Best wishes

Charlie

the spare exploda-lance will also work well for a pole for battle standards etc as an alternative to the one on the command frame

Nice horse masks!

Are the new Peasants the same smaller Barons' War size as the Foot Knights? Does anyone have any pictures yet?

I ordered like $400 worth of Barons' War minis, only to find that they're way too small to fit with anything else I have; now I'm trying to sell them on ebay, at a loss. The Peasants would be perfect for what I'm looking for, but I don't want to repeat that mistake.

Thanks

I received the Levy today but not had the chance to build any yet. Looking at the sprues they match the foot knights scale wise. My understanding is they have been designed to fit in with the metal range so I expect the other sets to be the same.

Steve

feanor3791 wrote:
Are the new Peasants the same smaller Barons' War size as the Foot Knights? Does anyone have any pictures yet?

I ordered like $400 worth of Barons' War minis, only to find that they're way too small to fit with anything else I have; now I'm trying to sell them on ebay, at a loss. The Peasants would be perfect for what I'm looking for, but I don't want to repeat that mistake.

Thanks

Ouch, tough break. Wish I could help you out but we got 2 rounds of auto repairs for Christmas with 2 new batteries as a bonus.

 RedRowan wrote:
I received the Levy today but not had the chance to build any yet. Looking at the sprues they match the foot knights scale wise. My understanding is they have been designed to fit in with the metal range so I expect the other sets to be the same.

Steve

Thanks; that's kind of what I expected, but wanted to confirm. Too bad--the sculpts are beautiful.


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 legionaires wrote:

feanor3791 wrote:
Are the new Peasants the same smaller Barons' War size as the Foot Knights? Does anyone have any pictures yet?

I ordered like $400 worth of Barons' War minis, only to find that they're way too small to fit with anything else I have; now I'm trying to sell them on ebay, at a loss. The Peasants would be perfect for what I'm looking for, but I don't want to repeat that mistake.

Thanks

Ouch, tough break. Wish I could help you out but we got 2 rounds of auto repairs for Christmas with 2 new batteries as a bonus.

Double ouch. Hope Christmas turns out well for you anyway.

So what are they like the GW LotR minis in scale?

Quick picture before I head out. These are a Wargames Atlantic Foot Knight, Perry Miniatures Archer, Wargames Atlantic Levy and a Fireforge Northman.

Steve