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Half king? I guess because his legs are missing?

Well he's rather fine. New grave guard character?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Half king? I guess because his legs are missing?

At what point does he go from being soulblight to becoming a nighthaunt?

They're all basically legless skeletons with nice cloaks

Decent 35€ upgrade to the 15€ model

In my humble opinion, the old wight king is way better than this new guy, but perhaps the new guy is a better match to the modern skellies.

I have the old guy painted up in ethereal blue just to stalk some ruins for some scenery flavour. Great model!

I think the old Wight King had a sense of volume to him; a kind of stockyness to the build.

This new one is likely going to be taller and in line with the current crop of models, but is more light in style and less broad

Pretty taller

I like it, it has a real classic 80s skeleton warrior feel, the sort of thing I'd see on the box art for Eye of the Beholder.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Pretty taller

Spoiler:

Rescale it so that the lil ghost dude is the size of a standard night haunt. Make him Nagash sized

So I don't keep up with AoS stuff so apologies if this has been covered but TLDR when the Skaventide box was coming there was a lot of talk about Skaven getting a massive range refresh. However looking at the Skaven book reviews it seems Plague Monks & Gutter runners are still the super old sculpts. Is that confirmed they are not getting done anytime soon or could it still be possible that they will get updated soon?

We've seen what's going to be the Skaven wave for this release - it was previewed here - and I'd be surprised if we see a second wave during the edition to cover those kits.

I am curious why the Clans Pestilens and Eshin didn't get a single thing in the release, though - you might've thought a new Plague Priest and/or Assassin could've been a thing, even if they held fire on new kits for the infantry until their next release.

Don't Eshin and Pestilens have fairly recent Underworlds warbands? Maybe GW thinks those kits cover the clans' need for modern characters well enough for the time being.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Half king? I guess because his legs are missing?

At what point does he go from being soulblight to becoming a nighthaunt?

They're all basically legless skeletons with nice cloaks

I think all Nighthaunt have fleshy hands and bony faces. We can't see the king's arms, so it's a bit hazy, but if what's there is assumed to be all bony, that will put him in Soulblight. Even if he doesn't have legs.

 Fayric wrote:
In my humble opinion, the old wight king is way better than this new guy, but perhaps the new guy is a better match to the modern skellies.

I have the old guy painted up in ethereal blue just to stalk some ruins for some scenery flavour. Great model!

The old one is great. It definitely has more presence than the new one.

But I like the new one as well, for someone who skipped leg day entirely. Stylistically he's a better match for the AoS skeletons, so there's some sense in updating the model. Would be better for him to have legs, though. Unless GW intends to release a generic model alongside this named character, it'll be a bit silly to have all royalty in the vampire legions forego legs.

 Dysartes wrote:
We've seen what's going to be the Skaven wave for this release - it was previewed here - and I'd be surprised if we see a second wave during the edition to cover those kits.

I am curious why the Clans Pestilens and Eshin didn't get a single thing in the release, though - you might've thought a new Plague Priest and/or Assassin could've been a thing, even if they held fire on new kits for the infantry until their next release.

Thats kinda how GW works for armies with multiple themes, update one theme with a big wave (or three since Skaven are the poster boys this edition) and leave the others for future editions.

Between the five, Pestilens probably didn't get something since they where already better off than the others with the exception of Skyre who are the golden child since the Plague Furnace, Plague Claw and the Verminlord are still completely fine and they now have a Plaguepriest on foot in the form of the Plague Pack. They only really need the Plague Monks to be updated and then maybe one more new kit and I would call them done. That perfectly fits a small wave in 11th edition like Nighthaunt got with their character/unit combo in 3rd after the big introduction in 2nd.

Eshin is another case entirely since they only got the Deathmaster and Verminlord right now as acceptable models. I actually expect a new Night Runners (or whatever replaces them) kit this edition just not via AoS but via Warcry. That seems like the perfect setting for a group of Skaven assassins. After that they still only have three units but GW also might just want to leave them with a smaller selection since they also removed the Gutter Runners.
Or maybe Gutter Runners will be the WarCry release and Night Runners stay as monkeys?

But still, not accounting for the wish for new models that is obviously always present, for the currently available kits only the Plague Monks and Night Runners need to be replaced now to have a fully acceptable range which I would say fulfilled the promise of a massive refresh when you look at where they were sitting before this edition

Skaven points download:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/19/start-organising-your-skaven-collection-with-this-free-points-download/

Othar is a commemorative model

Fancy King!
Not sure about the bare-skull look but the helmed version looks solid!

Interesting that he's commemorative and not standard, but that means even more king models!

Interesting, last time a commemorative leaked it was the stormcast and kruleboy for the swansong of third. It was like a year from the leak to actual release.

I’d reckon Store Anniversary for next year if it’s Commemorative Series?

Must make sure I go to WHW’s this year. They’ve always got good loot at their Anniversary.

The next thing to come up that has consistently had a commemorative series model should be Warhammer Day around the latter half of October. Chances are he's for that if he's leaking now.

Shouldn't they have already started advertising for that if it was happening?

As best as I can remember and with as much verification as the lacking search functionality of Warhammer Community provides, I believe this is how it went last year:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/02/warhammer-day-is-coming-and-so-are-all-these-juicy-reveals/

Because Warhammer Day is effectively "please buy our things, oh and here's a preview and limited edition miniature", I think this announcement of Warhammer Day on the 2nd of October for the preview on the 14th was also the first time the associated Squat miniature was shown off.

Others may remember better, but my expectation is that anything associated with Warhammer Day will be announced on Warhammer Community and not as part of a prior preview event, and the timing for such announcements tends to be around one or two weeks ahead of the event. Unless GW places Warhammer Day right at the start of October, or drops it this year, I would think we still have a few weeks before an official announcement.

With the caveat that GW may feel their hand is forced by the leak, of course.

First points fiddling of the edt:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/25/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-behold-the-first-balance-changes-to-the-latest-edition/

I love that hot on the heels of clarifying that the Nurgle debuff can't affect Manifestations we're getting a clarification that the almost identical but better Tzeentch ability does.

Good changes all around, as it should rein in Nighthaunt and Lumineth some between points-hikes and rules tweaks.

I honestly suspect Tzeentch is going to keep sneakily being too good, and Warpcog Skaven are going to way over perform as people abuse the Weapon Team efficiency.

Kruleboyz needed more help than they got. Gutrippaz should have dropped to 150, if for no other reason than to give players a reason to take them over Monsta-Killaz. Having the Gnashtoof boss, the Marshcrawla Sloggoth, Gobsprakk, and Skumdrekk come down a small amount was nice, but not really what was needed. Hobgrots could have probably used a points drop as well.

To harp further about Gutrippaz, I will compare them to Seraphon Saurus Warriors. The Saurus Warriors cost the exact same and have the same movement, health, and control as Gutrippaz, but have a better save. Their weapons have the same number of attacks, hit better, wound the same, and actually have rend. The Gutrippaz' weapons only have one thing the Saurus warriors don't, and that is Crit Mortals. And having played a few Spearhead games, I can tell you those crit mortals just don't occur often enough to matter. Or else I've just had crap dice in more than one game. When looking at the unit abilities, the Saurus Warriors actually get +1 to their saves when they are within range of an objective, compared to the Gutrippaz' Skare Taktiks ability, which gives them a 2/3 chance to reduce enemy hit rolls. Now, in a non-Spearhead game, I'm aware that Kruleboyz have Dirty Tricks that can help their troops out, particularly Venom-Encrusted Weapons to buff their crit mortals, but I still say Gutrippaz cost too many points. There's a reason most "competitive" (as much as Kruleboyz can be at any rate) lists use Monsta-Killaz instead, as they are much more efficient on a per model basis.

Looked at my army (Gitz), looks like the old "hike everything people take" method is alive an well, no matter if people take the thing just because it's the only thing that's playable.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looked at my army (Gitz), looks like the old "hike everything people take" method is alive an well, no matter if people take the thing just because it's the only thing that's playable.

You make things playable by making other things UNplayable, right? /sarcasm

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looked at my army (Gitz), looks like the old "hike everything people take" method is alive an well, no matter if people take the thing just because it's the only thing that's playable.

Yeah, I was waiting for this to see if I was finally going to break down and pick up some Troggs, but I'll probably stick to other games for a while it seems.

Hm, something to note. A slow burn, but it's done better than Dominion and Leviathan

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hm, something to note. A slow burn, but it's done better than Dominion and Leviathan

I mean they did literally start giving them away over the last two weeks...