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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hm, something to note. A slow burn, but it's done better than Dominion and Leviathan

Based on what exactly, overall sales numbers that you have in your pocket?

The fact that Dominion is still relatively easy to find and Leviathan never sold out.

So pocket lint.

Anecdotal evidence based on superficial extrapolation.

For those who weren't aware, specifically to avoid the bad look of Dominion rotting on shelves, a few weeks ago GW started mass giving away Skaventide. The Aussie Open GT for example was given over 200 boxes to give to every single entrant, and other events are slowly reporting the same.

They really wanted an excuse to list that box as sold out... which is a shame, as priced more aggressively it would actually be an amazing product. Spearhead is an AMAZING intro to the hobby, and the models themselves are gorgeous.

Yeah, I bought a cheap copy of Dominion and 3x the Kruleboyz half even though I don't play AOS but it doesn't look like I'll be buying even a single copy of Skaventide even though I'm interested in Spearhead and the Skaven. It just costs too much for me compared to everything else I can buy for US $225

And the new Stormcast helmets look terrible. And their hammers look stupidly large. Like an anvil on a stick.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
For those who weren't aware, specifically to avoid the bad look of Dominion rotting on shelves, a few weeks ago GW started mass giving away Skaventide. The Aussie Open GT for example was given over 200 boxes to give to every single entrant, and other events are slowly reporting the same.

They really wanted an excuse to list that box as sold out... which is a shame, as priced more aggressively it would actually be an amazing product. Spearhead is an AMAZING intro to the hobby, and the models themselves are gorgeous.

Mass giving away? It's two events; 130 copies at one and a dozen at the other. Both are in Australia where Skaventide is still in stock. There's no evidence of any giveaways in countries where Skaventide did sell out. I wish that wasn't the case. More free minis in a ridiculously expensive hobby is a good thing.
If this is the result, I hope gw overproduces everything.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The fact that Dominion is still relatively easy to find and Leviathan never sold out.

Eh. I'm sure they made way more of Leviathan boxes than any AOS box.

Just a timely reminder that given GW don’t, and have never, broken their sales down by system, let alone army or individual kit, in their financial results, anyone claiming such knowledge is either flat out lying about it, or is presenting opinion at worst, anecdote at best, as fact.

There’s nowt wrong with sharing observations and anecdote of course, otherwise we’d have pretty poor discussions. But the plural of anecdote isn’t evidence. Especially in cases where we’ve no ability to check veracity.

About the only time we've ever really heard of a bad selling box was Dominion where some 3rd party stores were left with overstock to the point they were selling "at cost" just to get them moved out so that they could free up money for faster selling stock.

We have seen some boxes sell slower than others and some remain on the shelf for ages. But on the flipside we never know the relative numbers so its hard to tell if GW overproduced; if the market undersold; if its regional variety or what.

~There is a casual feeling that if a boxed set doesn't sell out very fast that GW have over-produced; but at the same time GW models don't live in the world of many other products. The rules have a 3year lifespan and the models decades. That's insanely long in today's world of super-fast product cycling. It's trained us into thinking of products in very short term windows because the next one will be along soon.

Out only real worry would be if GW stock wasn't selling at all and in reality that's not an issue as GW are selling better than ever.

Granted there's a feeling that if the army "I collect" isn't selling out then GW might not give them new toys or might not support them much or could even drop them! So that's always a back-burning concern when some sets don't sell out.

 Overread wrote:
About the only time we've ever really heard of a bad selling box was Dominion where some 3rd party stores were left with overstock to the point they were selling "at cost" just to get them moved out so that they could free up money for faster selling stock.

And GW themselves selling it 30% off on their own website.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
About the only time we've ever really heard of a bad selling box was Dominion where some 3rd party stores were left with overstock to the point they were selling "at cost" just to get them moved out so that they could free up money for faster selling stock.

And GW themselves selling it 30% off on their own website.

Ahh I don't recall that but yeah that would also be another sign.
And to be fair that was the first box right after the Pandemic lockdowns ended and things were closer to "back to normal" and GW's estimations on sales were likely all skewed after the bumper lockdownsales

That is not a fact.

Leviathan
Leviathan was unavailable on GW's site by the end of the pre-sale launch weekend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1HS7UDWw8

A year after its release, a smattering of Leviathan boxes are available on eBay for 50% *over* the original price.

Dominion

By way of comparison, Dominon is still available *three years* later and has been 30-50% off the entire time.

Skaventide

Scores of third-party sites offer up to 30% discounts a month after release. The likelihood is that it will go lower still.

AoS is a good product, but the idea that it is outperforming 40K is not supported by any available evidence unless you assume GW is producing VASTLY more AoS launch boxes than its 40K equivalent.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The fact that Dominion is still relatively easy to find and Leviathan never sold out.

 flaherty wrote:
That is not a fact.

Leviathan
Leviathan was unavailable on GW's site by the end of the pre-sale launch weekend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1HS7UDWw8

A year after its release, a smattering of Leviathan boxes are available on eBay for 50% *over* the original price.

Dominion

By way of comparison, Dominon is still available *three years* later and has been 30-50% off the entire time.

Skaventide

Scores of third-party sites offer up to 30% discounts a month after release. The likelihood is that it will go lower still.

AoS is a good product, but the idea that it is outperforming 40K is not supported by any available evidence unless you assume GW is producing VASTLY more AoS launch boxes than its 40K equivalent.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The fact that Dominion is still relatively easy to find and Leviathan never sold out.

Thank you for that its annoying people coming up with made up facts.

I don't think anyone said it was outperforming 40k? I saw where it was said it was outperforming dominion, which seems a reasonable claim to make.

Warhammer day mini:



And my only problem with this mini is:

WHY IS IT A LIMITED ONE??

Excellent looking mini. I'd quite happily buy him just to paint.



Also, sneaky look at some new terrain there?

What's it supposed to be commemorating?

I don't wanna shell out for ICv2's pro subscriber program for their most recent mini range rankings, but at least as of last fall AOS had fallen out of their top five. If Skaventide aint selling out, may be a sign that hasn't changed.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
What's it supposed to be commemorating?

Capitalism

 Lord Damocles wrote:
What's it supposed to be commemorating?

Warhammer Day this weekend.

Logic dictates it might also be the "new mini monday" reveal.

Well he doesn't have the burning branch from the RE

 cole1114 wrote:
I don't wanna shell out for ICv2's pro subscriber program for their most recent mini range rankings, but at least as of last fall AOS had fallen out of their top five. If Skaventide aint selling out, may be a sign that hasn't changed.

I can't find it now but someone did share the spring table. AoS was back in the top five and the old world was also in the top ten. 40k was number one as usual. The general consensus is that 40k has three or four times as many players as AoS so if Skaventide sold half as many copies as Leviathan, that would be considered a big success.

 Matrindur wrote:
Warhammer day mini:



And my only problem with this mini is:

WHY IS IT A LIMITED ONE??

oh now he's looking rather fine.

Looks nice. Now to see how limited it turns out to be.

Dudeface wrote:
Logic dictates it might also be the "new mini monday" reveal.

Defy the dictate of logic! Throw off the shackles that bind your mind! Liberate yourself and embrace the ever shifting tides of change!

Reckon I’ll be grabbing him.

I’ve still got free postage to make use of for my WH+ Exclusive, so that’ll help keep costs down.

He's... fine? Nothing special though. But a perfectly fine generic Chaos sorcerer guy.

His background scenery pieces? Have we seen those before?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
His background scenery pieces? Have we seen those before?

No, but we can conclude STDs are desecrating Stormvaults in the same way Skaven are desecrating Dawnbringer cottages.

It'd be nice if we ever saw some reclaimed/reconsecrated/purged terrain that used to belong to a Chaos faction, but no...

100% want him! He could pass for both evil sorcerer and "lich lord". Been trying to combine the Tzeentch and Skeleton theme in Frostgrave and this guy does it for me.