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Unfortunately not a fan of these reimagined chaos dwarfs. They had a strong visual identity that could've just been adapted for AoS, similar to how they treated Skaven.

The mad falconer, however, is fantastic. They are really nailing Flesh Eaters across the board.

[img]Flash eaters and nighthaunt get cool minis.

Chaos dwarfs are an ugly embarrassing abomination.
The wizard guy is alright, everything else is hideous. It’s like they decided to pay the design team 2 times less, so we get 2 times less polygons in the 3d model and 2 times less of artistic design effort.
Just look at them!!! What a mess.
Bottom tier, even bellow bone dudes, kangaroo elves, fish elves. Just above fyreslayers. ORIGINAL old school chaos dwarfs look better.
I know it’s just plastic toys, but I am quite upset. Just how can a multi billionaire company produce such committee design slop, when they have already done way better quality product a decade and a half ago?

Taking another look at the Chorfs, that Dominator Engine might make a good Chaos Siege Giant depending on its size.

I'm disappointed by the chorfs - if they needed an AoS specific identity, I wish they had stayed close the design elements in the 'Horns of Hashut" warband for warcry - that would have been unique and interesting.

These look like they come from privateer press, or world of warcraft.

I do think some of it is due to the color scheme on the paint job.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
[img]Flash eaters and nighthaunt get cool minis.

Chaos dwarfs are an ugly embarrassing abomination.
The wizard guy is alright, everything else is hideous. It’s like they decided to pay the design team 2 times less, so we get 2 times less polygons in the 3d model and 2 times less of artistic design effort.
Just look at them!!! What a mess.
Bottom tear, even bellow bone dudes, kangaroo elves, fish elves. Just above fyreslayers. ORIGINAL old school chaos dwarfs look better.
I know it’s just plastic toys, but I am quite upset. Just how can a multi billionaire company produce such committee design slop, when they have already done way better quality product a decade and a half ago?

Just sounds like you hate anything new.

Considering people have been complaining that GW has been putting too much detail on models; its now the flipside that models which aren't super-heavy on tiny details now look bland; esp in large photos on the screen.

I'm willing to bet many might well find the new Chaos Dwarvs have more than enough detail when held in hand; when painted up differently and also when you actually have to paint them. Sometimes you really don't need abillion details to have great looking model.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
[img]Flash eaters and nighthaunt get cool minis.

Chaos dwarfs are an ugly embarrassing abomination.
The wizard guy is alright, everything else is hideous. It’s like they decided to pay the design team 2 times less, so we get 2 times less polygons in the 3d model and 2 times less of artistic design effort.
Just look at them!!! What a mess.
Bottom tear, even bellow bone dudes, kangaroo elves, fish elves. Just above fyreslayers. ORIGINAL old school chaos dwarfs look better.
I know it’s just plastic toys, but I am quite upset. Just how can a multi billionaire company produce such committee design slop, when they have already done way better quality product a decade and a half ago?

Just sounds like you hate anything new.

Have you read the first sentence?

I'm not entirely sold on the chorfs just yet, but it might just be the paint job. Far too much green and purple for my liking.

They aren't even really chaos dwarfs anymore. There isn't much in the way of chaos iconography on them. No chaos stars/arrows or typical chaos stuff you'd find on a chaos model. They're like the saturday morning cartoon version of what chorfs should be. Compare them to this total war artwork:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/9/9f/ChaosDwarfWarriorConceptArt.png/revision/latest?cb=20230328142711

These actually have the chaos arrows and lightning bolts usually associated with this army. And why they gave the infantry spears and swords instead of axes is beyond me. If this army sells poorly GW might never attempt a proper chorf release again, at this point i'd rather they had remastered the old Legion of Azgorh resins and put those out for Old World.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
The Chaos Dwarfs look fine, though maybe I just don't like the colour schemes they chose.

I don't like the green glow. It always makes me think Skaven or Necron, and would have preferred a classic orange/red fiery effect. But then I'd just complain they looked too much like Fyreslayers.

That green is the only thing I don't like of the new range. I think painting that closer to the teal flames on the book art will do the trick though.

Honestly, the chaos dwarfs should have been a destruction faction (look, I know "chaos" is in the name, but they aren't called that in Age of Sigmar). Hashut is not a chaos god in this incarnation, hes part of the dwarven pantheon, but apparently a destructive (and beastly) part of it. Yes, they use daemons to fuel their tech I guess, but it sounds like the practice is destroying the daemons, or at least harming them, rather than the typical "lets let these things possess and warp our gak" approach utilzied by "proper" chaos factions.

Frankly, I prefer the Legion of Azgorh aesthetic. I do like how they reinterpreted the "big hats" look and made them less silly with these designs, I respect that, but like - they could have made the Legion of Azgorh look the Age of Sigmar thing and sent the big hats back to The Old World where the goofiness will be more appreciated by the fanbase.

Which brings me to my next point - I have no idea why the Legacy'd Chaos Dwarves in TOW if this is the direction they were going in for AoS (I mean, I know exactly why, but for the sake of argument lets pretend). They could have very easily put TOW Chaos Dwarves in the game using the Legion of Azgorh range and it would be distinct and separate from what they did with the Age of Sigmar range. Sure it would be expensive, but lots of us still have our Legion of Azgorh armies and since they are seemingly set on plastifying and updating everything eventually they could eventually rerelease the minis in plastic.

My impression is GW knows they have a limited budget for Old World in both money, slots and time. They couldn't just include every old faction because they'd be pre-loading the game for some factions to wait a VERY long time for updates. Basically taking them back to the "Oh its dead cause armies aren't getting new models" problem that plagued the game during the build up to the End Times.

Far better to keep the number of factions limited so that they can update them on a decent timeframe.

That nostalgic power would only work so long and then Gw would be sitting on a bunch of model ranges that wouldn't sell well; would generate loads of complaints about not being updated and so on. Heck even now TK players gripe about old Skeletons and Brets about tiny ponies.




As for them being in Chaos they are just the new Skaven faction. Chaos in all but name and intent but not quite part of the pantheon proper. Indeed its very fittingly grim dark that they are in Chaos and that they believe they are taming Chaos when in reality they are being warped, twisted and corrupted by it to the point where they are left only able to even trade or deal with other chaos forces; not forgetting many many factions in AoS aren't part of Order and are part of Chaos without realisation. All those warcry warbands were Slaves to Darkness but each group never believed they were worshipping one of the Four Chaos Gods

Love the look of the Helsmiths. They do feel very chorf to me. I don't need another half-baked Age of Sigmar army that I'll never play but who knows what my future holds lol.

 Overread wrote:
Considering people have been complaining that GW has been putting too much detail on models; its now the flipside that models which aren't super-heavy on tiny details now look bland; esp in large photos on the screen.

I'm willing to bet many might well find the new Chaos Dwarvs have more than enough detail when held in hand; when painted up differently and also when you actually have to paint them. Sometimes you really don't need abillion details to have great looking model.

I think we're more upset by how little these guys resemble the two clues we had - classic chaos dwarves, or the horns of hashut. These guys aren't even using the the now established hashut rune in their iconography.

 Overread wrote:




As for them being in Chaos they are just the new Skaven faction.

You mean Beastmen. They fill much the same place in the "should be destruction but are chaos because of flimsy lore" niche with their focus on destroying and grinding down everything around them (including chaos itself, remember the beastmen lore is essentially that they are basically ignored by the chaos gods and thus free of its influence, and thus incidentally agents of chaos because they are free radicals in the system acting in a chaotic manner). Skaven, despite not having a "real" chaos god at their head are pretty chaotic and dont have the innate destructive tendencies of beastmen nor hashut followers.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Honestly, the chaos dwarfs should have been a destruction faction (look, I know "chaos" is in the name, but they aren't called that in Age of Sigmar). Hashut is not a chaos god in this incarnation, hes part of the dwarven pantheon, but apparently a destructive (and beastly) part of it. Yes, they use daemons to fuel their tech I guess, but it sounds like the practice is destroying the daemons, or at least harming them, rather than the typical "lets let these things possess and warp our gak" approach utilzied by "proper" chaos factions.

Frankly, I prefer the Legion of Azgorh aesthetic. I do like how they reinterpreted the "big hats" look and made them less silly with these designs, I respect that, but like - they could have made the Legion of Azgorh look the Age of Sigmar thing and sent the big hats back to The Old World where the goofiness will be more appreciated by the fanbase.

Which brings me to my next point - I have no idea why the Legacy'd Chaos Dwarves in TOW if this is the direction they were going in for AoS (I mean, I know exactly why, but for the sake of argument lets pretend). They could have very easily put TOW Chaos Dwarves in the game using the Legion of Azgorh range and it would be distinct and separate from what they did with the Age of Sigmar range. Sure it would be expensive, but lots of us still have our Legion of Azgorh armies and since they are seemingly set on plastifying and updating everything eventually they could eventually rerelease the minis in plastic.

I'd guess because FW resin is more difficult to cast/produce in general and requires more maintenance so they have to be choosy with what they're producing with it - and entire army ranges are off the table?

Dunno, they've put a pretty significant amount of resin and metal kits into production to cover the other factions. Dont see what would be so impactful to them to have a faction that is entirely resin in the same way, especially if after 6-12 months they started re-releasing core units in plastic. Realistically you would only maybe 3 or 4 new plastic kits to get a significant portion of the chaos dwarf range into plastic and to a point where the plastic to non-plastic ratio for the faction was comparable to that of the other factions.

 Overread wrote:


As for them being in Chaos they are just the new Skaven faction. Chaos in all but name and intent but not quite part of the pantheon proper. Indeed its very fittingly grim dark that they are in Chaos and that they believe they are taming Chaos when in reality they are being warped, twisted and corrupted by it to the point where they are left only able to even trade or deal with other chaos forces; not forgetting many many factions in AoS aren't part of Order and are part of Chaos without realisation. All those warcry warbands were Slaves to Darkness but each group never believed they were worshipping one of the Four Chaos Gods

I'm agree based on the description Destruction might have been a better fit but at this point, I'd rather they split the Alliances. Too many in order and Chaos is getting crowded too. Split out Skaven and HoH into a Chaos adjacent (Mayhem?) with IDK and DoK unto another (Be5rayers or Decievers).

Surely that'd be the point, to make them AOS army not just repeat of the old Fantasy designs? Anyway, spears always made a lot more sense for dwarfs than axes, especially if they fight in the open more than in tunnels.

 legionaires wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
The Chaos Dwarfs look fine, though maybe I just don't like the colour schemes they chose.

I don't like the green glow. It always makes me think Skaven or Necron, and would have preferred a classic orange/red fiery effect. But then I'd just complain they looked too much like Fyreslayers.

That green is the only thing I don't like of the new range. I think painting that closer to the teal flames on the book art will do the trick though.

Mmm, that'd be pretty keen. I look forward to non-GW studio paintjobs on these guys and gals!

 kodos wrote:
the Chaos Dwarfs are, I don't know, boring isn't really the right word for it but by now there are so many of those out there that look much better that this isn't really filling anything

I think that, of all modern GW models, Chaos Dwarfs seem to exhibit most glaringly the difference between miniatures sculpted by passionate creatives because they're cool, and miniatures from a bullet point design brief by someone just grinding a job because some CEO decided to milk the next mothballed concept for nostalgia.

I can't say I'm excited about the Chaos Dwarfs. I don't think the 'Eavy Metal scheme does them any favors.

I like the basic infantry. That's always a good start. I'll have to take my time and get used to the rest before I can say how I feel about the army.

 The Phazer wrote:
The Nighthaunt and FEC characters are great.

But... I have to be honest, I'm quite disappointed by the Chaos Dwarfs. I am waiting to see them painted differently, because I think the Skaven esque paint scheme is bad. But the angular nature just makes them seem quite low poly in a way, and there's not enough beards or hats.

The downside to having a mix of male and female dwarf warriors is that your BPS (beards per stunty) ratio drops significantly below expected levels.

It looks like the textures on the Not-Great Taurus have failed to load in properly.

the Mid Taurus

 Lord Damocles wrote:
It looks like the textures on the Not-Great Taurus have failed to load in properly.

I actually like the bull a lot, especially the generic greenish one. The angular design and odd textures make me think it moves real jerkily, like a Ray Harryhousen creature.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

I actually like the bull a lot, especially the generic greenish one. The angular design and odd textures make me think it moves real jerkily, like a Ray Harryhousen creature.

This sums it up nicely. I like that it looks like animated metal, not a mechanical construct, but an Art Deco statue sculpted by a master artisan and then brought to life through some profane magics. I love the old Bale Taurus, might go looking for one some day.

I agree overall though that there is just something off about the rest of the range, possibly just the paint scheme. The blocky designs are fine, they just need that extra layer of spikes to really bring them into the Chaos fold. Not nearly enough axes across the board either.

New Chorfs remind me of Mantic's Abyssal Dwarfs.

 Thargrim wrote:
They aren't even really chaos dwarfs anymore. There isn't much in the way of chaos iconography on them. No chaos stars/arrows or typical chaos stuff you'd find on a chaos model.

That's because they don't see themselves as a Chaos faction, they believe themselves to be an Order faction that just happens to use Daemon energy to power their stuff. Literally explained in the actual stream. They even went into Hashut is no longer a Chaos god, he's a Dwarven Ancestor god shunned by the others.

If anything it makes them even darker than in the past because now they think they are sane, normal, good natured dwarves who have the power and means to save the Mortal Realms.

That they've tamed the demonic powers; saved themselves and that they can bring salvation to the Realms through their industrial control over Demonic energies and demons.

They aren't just a "good faction chaos equivalent that knows they are pure chaos"; they are twisted.
They know that Sigmar is not the saviour; that he's probably holding back the restoration of the Mortal Realms. That the other "good" factions opposed to Chaos just have the wrong approach.

It's like how the Flesheater Courts aren't anything different from flesheater models we had in Old World; but now they are even more twisted and sinister because of their madness.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
They aren't even really chaos dwarfs anymore. There isn't much in the way of chaos iconography on them. No chaos stars/arrows or typical chaos stuff you'd find on a chaos model.

That's because they don't see themselves as a Chaos faction, they believe themselves to be an Order faction that just happens to use Daemon energy to power their stuff. Literally explained in the actual stream. They even went into Hashut is no longer a Chaos god, he's a Dwarven Ancestor god shunned by the others.

Ancestor god of beasts and nature who wasn't initially shunned so much as jealous of the others getting all the cool stuff and sort of self-exiled to reject and invert his appointed role. So instead of harmony and working with nature, he's all industry and subjugation. Except still animal themed.