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Cyel wrote:
Balance-wise, it's very bad. Elite teams are vastly too strong with Legionaries and Warpcoven to the extreme. A lot of teams are lagging behind the median in an extreme way too.

My other gameplay criticisms (note:unlike the balance issues, these are subjective) were voiced twice in this thread already, with zero discussion: everybody apparently only in the business of buying not playing this game. I am not going to reapeat it for the third time just to hear crickets again.

Weird, as in my country KT is the bees knees, probably beating AoS in popularity. On Dakka all KT topics in the "other gw games" section are ignored in favour of 10mm scale games.

Can't comment on the balance as I don't play the game, which brings me neatly to the second point: I got two of the new sets each because I liked the models, including the terrain.
I looked at the rules and didn't really feel it. I liked the old Kill Team based of 8th edition with the build options and character progression. New edition with the specialist is just to much stuff to keep track of during a game. I get the models either for my 40k armies or for playing 5 parsecs from home.

I also can't really comment on local popularity, I only play with two friends and then we spend the day on a big battle and not just 20 models sneaking through predefined terrain. One of them tried to look into Kill Team but the rules just didn't really scratch the itch I guess.

Cyel wrote:
Balance-wise, it's very bad. Elite teams are vastly too strong with Legionaries and Warpcoven to the extreme. A lot of teams are lagging behind the median in an extreme way too.

My other gameplay criticisms (note:unlike the balance issues, these are subjective) were voiced twice in this thread already, with zero discussion: everybody apparently only in the business of buying not playing this game. I am not going to reapeat it for the third time just to hear crickets again.

Weird, as in my country KT is the bees knees, probably beating AoS in popularity. On Dakka all KT topics in the "other gw games" section are ignored in favour of 10mm scale games.

From what I have seen, I agree with you about the Legionaires; haven't seen the Warpcoven in action. I don't have enough experience with this edition to have anything more to add at this time.

Also don't think the news and rumors thread is the place to really discuss the rules and you highlight the issue with Dakka in regards to most other games.

 tauist wrote:
Is it all because of the new reaction mechanics? Elite teams being constantly out-activated probably benefit the most from those

It is several different things and what you mention is just one of them. Marines got more wounds across all their factions, and there's been a general decrease in the availability and efficiency of Armour Piercing (one of the changes I don't like as it decreases player agency in mitigating randomness).

Both Legionaries and Warpcoven have access to a Ploy that further decreases AP by 1 step and also to operatives with 2+ save. This combined makes them nigh impossible to injure, not to mention kill by almost everything in the game. Their offence on the other hand is flexible and universally good.

I see. I wasnt aware that existing teams got such heavy-handed changes to their stats. Any changes in P1 availability or wounds count will already require hefty rebalancing. Why did they feel the need to mess em up? Plain dumb if ya ask me.. And operatives with a 2+ save? I dont recall 2+ saves even existing in KT21.. No wonder you're pissed off.

Or there’s just a bunch of whiners that don’t actually play any games at all. Just complain on the internet ceaselessly about what they read somewhere else on the internet. Is KT24 perfectly balanced? Of course not. However it is fun, playable, and improved over KT21. Play more; cry less.

I'm not yet convinced about the "improved over KT21" though. KT21 balance was very good and generally praised. Adding faction cards and faction tokens isnt all that big of a deal IMHO, and last season of KT21 already added those. You could add joint ops to KT21 as well. That just leaves reactions and the new LOS rules.. are those really gamechanging in yur opinion?

 totalfailure wrote:
Or there’s just a bunch of whiners that don’t actually play any games at all. Just complain on the internet ceaselessly about what they read somewhere else on the internet. Is KT24 perfectly balanced? Of course not. However it is fun, playable, and improved over KT21. Play more; cry less.

I didn't realise there was a Diplomacy check in KT24 that someone could manage to roll a natural 1 on, but you learn something new every day.

I played my Legionaries just once this edition - against friend's Vespid.

It wasn't either fun, playable or improved over KT21 in any way.

He managed to kill only one of my models and I played totally carelessly (to prove a point, as we also had a player saying "Legionaries are fine" in our group), just standing in the open at will, always on Engage, as if they had no care in the world. I tabled him.

That was the only time I played marines in KT24 out of all the games in this edition I've already had.


Other changes I don't like - like non-interactive scoring or quantum equipment or team rule changes, or bad Tac Ops or terrible ITD maps, or half-assed solutions to Initiative and Obscurity - I agree are subjective and there may be players who could argue in their favour. But balance needs corrections badly. Tournament results confirm that. The thing that disappoints the most is how good it was before being thrown in the dump and how much of that good work of balancing in KT21 got wasted.

Okay kids, take it to a dedicated topic of its own from here on out and let the N&R thread rest until there's actual news up for discussion, thanks! 🤘🏻

After BrookM's suggestion, I made a thread where we can talk about KT21 and KT24 in the appropriate place on the forums......

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/815588.page#11725126

I look forward to talk about the game as a game.

I always hear great things about GW customer service, but I have to share a bad experience with them that is currently ongoing.

I picked up a copy of Kill team Salvation from the local shop. Sealed, not used/resold. Everything was fine except the bases, looks like the wrong pouch of bases were in the box as there were 21 25mm bases and 2 20mm bases in the box with no 28mm or 32mm bases. I checked them all against the instruction booklet in the box to make sure.

GW is wanting me to return the whole box to the local shop to get a replacement. I had already assembled and painted the terrain and the Striking scorpions (using bases from another project). The shop does not have another box of this set (out of production) and not even available online through them. 4 emails back and forth so far. Not super happy. I always hear great things, but this is not one of those times.

Just my 2cents.

 Theophony wrote:
I always hear great things about GW customer service, but I have to share a bad experience with them that is currently ongoing.

I picked up a copy of Kill team Salvation from the local shop. Sealed, not used/resold. Everything was fine except the bases, looks like the wrong pouch of bases were in the box as there were 21 25mm bases and 2 20mm bases in the box with no 28mm or 32mm bases. I checked them all against the instruction booklet in the box to make sure.

GW is wanting me to return the whole box to the local shop to get a replacement. I had already assembled and painted the terrain and the Striking scorpions (using bases from another project). The shop does not have another box of this set (out of production) and not even available online through them. 4 emails back and forth so far. Not super happy. I always hear great things, but this is not one of those times.

Just my 2cents.

I had something similar for Kill Team Hivestorm where many of the sprues had crushed and broken parts (for sure not happened during shipping, probably something heavy was placed on them at the factory) and their first answer was also that I can only contact the shop I bought it from since it wasn't bought from GW directly which also could only refund me since they didn't have any more in stock.
But after a few more back and forths they agreed to send me replacements and I got complete sprues for all that where damaged so I'd try a little more and see if GW also does the same for you.
Of course it could be different since I'm in europe while you are in the USA so maybe different regulations but I wouldn't give up hope yet

Just what the title implies: Noise Marines / Emperors Children Kill Team Please! We have Chaos Space Marines of a vew flavors already, including my favorite: Nemesis Claw (Night Lords), and Death Guard... Now that Noise Marines/EC have been released with new models: Me Want Kill Team! Any rumours out there? Too soon?

Too joined up for GW

As GW wasn't kind enough to provide a balance patch for the LVO, the organisers created one themselves I grew up with such patches and comp systems in old editions of WFB and 40k so an unofficial initative like that is something normal for me, but I do not see such things often nowadays. Kudos for Squad Games for doing the sensible thing.

I can't find the rules for this pack, though, so no idea how impactful it really is.

So any results from the LVO are invalid, is what you're saying, in terms of judging the current state of KT24?

Well, it turns out Squad Games weren't as brave as I thought they might have been and these were just simple quality of life changes. More like judges' clarifications, useful but nothing that actually deals with the problem.

So yeah, out of 6 Warpcoven teams in the 138-player tournament, 3 were in the top ten and they took both first and second.

I think I'll stick with KT21 for the time being then. I can easily adopt joint ops gameplay to KT21, and nobody in our group is interested in playing the KT24-only factions so far

When are the new teams going to be rotated in?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
When are the new teams going to be rotated in?

I don't understand the question. What do you mean?

It’s be a year wouldn’t it?

Danny76 wrote:
It’s be a year wouldn’t it?

When did the year start? When the set was released or when 2025 started?

Sorry if I was unclear.

But what do you mean "rotated in"? That you can play them? Teams do not rotate in. You can play them at any events as soon as they are released.

Some teams from the start of the previous edition are going to rotate OUT of the "roster of teams", but only out of competitive events and only some of them (nobody can stop a TO from allowing any teams they want). They will still be supported in the app, with balance changes etc at least until the end of the edition.

Kill Team Rules Update and Changes:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/articles/r0gmsdh0/kill-team-balance-update-big-changes-to-chaos-and-beyond

Any leaks about future releases? I remember there were pretty accurate leaks about Vespid, drop Guardsmen, Tankbustas and Ratlings months before their release.

Probably an upcoming preview show, I'd imagine.

both KT and warcry seem to be very quiet lately, the latter especially so

they made a whole big deal about the new edition, and switching to an explicit seasons and rotation model, for KT, and a three year clock for editions, and then have spent like six months doing nothing

Cyel wrote:
Any leaks about future releases? I remember there were pretty accurate leaks about Vespid, drop Guardsmen, Tankbustas and Ratlings months before their release.

No hard leaks atm, but the current rumours are GK vs WE up next, with Tyranids at some point later.

We got the first box in September and the next in December. If the plan is quarterly releases then March should be the next one, once the 40k backlog has cleared a little.

 xttz wrote:
No hard leaks atm, but the current rumours are GK vs WE up next, with Tyranids at some point later.

Good to hear about World Eaters, as they're absence from the game has been noticeable. In fact, I don't know if Khorne Berzerkers have been playable in any recent editions of KT.

Also, when are the Gellerpox coming back in stock? I really want to play that team.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 xttz wrote:
No hard leaks atm, but the current rumours are GK vs WE up next, with Tyranids at some point later.

Good to hear about World Eaters, as they're absence from the game has been noticeable. In fact, I don't know if Khorne Berzerkers have been playable in any recent editions of KT.

they didn't even have a compendium team last edition