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Repeating some sleuth work from over on B&C:



So the silhouettes don't relate to LVO seemingly.

the show is probably going to be EC, Beastmen, whatever necromunda stuff, and then soulblight, is my guess

On that point, let's also remember that the next two armies for The Old World as per the Nova roadmap are Empire and High Elves. The silhouette may well be a beastman, but LVO is a little early for the army when we haven't even seen the elves yet.

My guess is Knights with a Lucius tease/stinger.

 Geifer wrote:
On that point, let's also remember that the next two armies for The Old World as per the Nova roadmap are Empire and High Elves. The silhouette may well be a beastman, but LVO is a little early for the army when we haven't even seen the elves yet.

ah, right, yeah. so like the thanatar, a later in the year thing

iirc, the new orc character was shown off similarly, so i imagine it'll be revealed on a similar timescale. sometime around march

 Platuan4th wrote:
My guess is Knights with a Lucius tease/stinger.

This seems likely imo.

I think they've done 5 silhouette spins for random future releases the past two Januaries as well. Just weird they put them in a reveal show announcement this time.

 Platuan4th wrote:
My guess is Knights with a Lucius tease/stinger.

Honestly I think we get most / all of the EC range shown at LVO. In past years it has tended to have major reveals like faction range refreshes, so if all they have to show this time is just upgrade sprues for knights it would be a huge letdown. Especially when there's no HH content too.

My expectation is that we'll see the EC army box (with limited codex) shown off, then released in Feb/March. They can still follow that with the IK/CK codexes and preserve the roadmap release order, before dropping the full EC faction launch in April/May.

 xttz wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
My guess is Knights with a Lucius tease/stinger.

Honestly I think we get most / all of the EC range shown at LVO. In past years it has tended to have major reveals like faction range refreshes, so if all they have to show this time is just upgrade sprues for knights it would be a huge letdown. Especially when there's no HH content too.

My expectation is that we'll see the EC army box (with limited codex) shown off, then released in Feb/March. They can still follow that with the IK/CK codexes and preserve the roadmap release order, before dropping the full EC faction launch in April/May.

I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this. It just leads to confusing have and have nots in the community, makes events contentious and is inevitably dissapointing for those who can't drop on a large expensive bundle but have to spend 2 months watch other people play the army.

It also won't work in the app, so you're stud using the codex entries for stuff, which we know are always wrong near enough.

Add to that guard release in jan/feb, eldar are likely to land in March now and you expect them to drop EC in the middle of 2 range refreshes?

Just temper expectations. EC will be April at the earliest and with some luck, not a time gated army.

Artwork match for the beastman

Dudeface wrote:

I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this.

I'm not 'advocating' for anything here. If I say I that expect it's going to rain, that doesn't mean I want to get wet.

We have rumours from sources with established track records that point towards:
a) Guard in January
b) Eldar in February
c) EC will get an army box release

There is also the fact that the 40k release schedule 'needs' to push out codexes at a fairly rapid rate this year following the recent pause. They're not going to hang around, think of the shareholders!

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this.

I'm not 'advocating' for anything here. If I say I that expect it's going to rain, that doesn't mean I want to get wet.

We have rumours from sources with established track records that point towards:
a) Guard in January
b) Eldar in February
c) EC will get an army box release

There is also the fact that the 40k release schedule 'needs' to push out codexes at a fairly rapid rate this year following the recent pause. They're not going to hang around, think of the shareholders!

OK, the guard release is only going up for preorder in Jan, so it'll release across Feb, you do realise that right? So even if the same is true for eldar, they won't physically be out until part way through March. Unless you're suggesting they're releasing only 40k minis this year?

Add to that we know factually that knights are the 3rd codex of the year. I've not seen anyone suggest EC box drops before knights. Valrak called them a spring release, which is March - May. You're joining dots that aren't there.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bug Thing doesn’t seem to have the standard Necromunda base.

Could be Ash Waste or Sump basing though.

My guess is Ash Waste and the Nomads are getting their own book (as the Squats have).

They are also notably missing a "big" vehicle, all the more since they can't use the GSC ones. The worm seems a pretty good fit for that.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I'm going to guess: Lucius, the other Thantar, Beatmen Special Character for the Old World, Necromunda thingie, new Soulblight Gravelord new character for their new book.

Hm, lot of things flying about for Soulblight at the moment. Black Knights as of the pic, Grave Guard and a zombie dragon. Could be a big release if that's all true.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I'm going to guess: Lucius, the other Thantar, Beatmen Special Character for the Old World, Necromunda thingie, new Soulblight Gravelord new character for their new book.

Hm, lot of things flying about for Soulblight at the moment. Black Knights as of the pic, Grave Guard and a zombie dragon. Could be a big release if that's all true.

Let's hope not, it has to fit in along side 3 big 40k releases and knights, so can't possibly be out any time soon. /s

Dudeface wrote:
I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this. It just leads to confusing have and have nots in the community, makes events contentious and is inevitably dissapointing for those who can't drop on a large expensive bundle but have to spend 2 months watch other people play the army.

This I agree with, though I couldn't give two hoots about tournaments getting disrupted by these releases.

Dudeface wrote:
It also won't work in the app, so you're stud(sic) using the codex entries for stuff, which we know are always wrong near enough.

This, on the other hand, is a definite competitor for "Hyperbole of the Year", and we're less than a week in...

Oh, so there was a GW book that didn't need day 1 errata?

The wording there implies that codex entries, as a whole, are "always wrong near enough" - while there may need to be day 1 errata for some things in a book, it isn't the case that most entries are needing errata.

If that wasn't what was meant to be implied, then better wording was required.

And show me a book where there isn't a typo or error in the first printing.

 Dysartes wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I really wish people would stop advocating for early codex releases like this. It just leads to confusing have and have nots in the community, makes events contentious and is inevitably dissapointing for those who can't drop on a large expensive bundle but have to spend 2 months watch other people play the army.

This I agree with, though I couldn't give two hoots about tournaments getting disrupted by these releases.

Dudeface wrote:
It also won't work in the app, so you're stud(sic) using the codex entries for stuff, which we know are always wrong near enough.

This, on the other hand, is a definite competitor for "Hyperbole of the Year", and we're less than a week in...

Remind me, how many books can you use without an update currently? How many haven't had immediate updates so far? I seem to think it's nigh on all of them, certainly within the first month anyway (I.e. before the early release book might be valid)


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 Dysartes wrote:
The wording there implies that codex entries, as a whole, are "always wrong near enough" - while there may need to be day 1 errata for some things in a book, it isn't the case that most entries are needing errata.

If that wasn't what was meant to be implied, then better wording was required.

And show me a book where there isn't a typo or error in the first printing.

Wow someone pooped in your cornflakes today.

"The points values and potential issues with rules, units or combinations therein may be incorrect or require and amendment. As such it should be stated that the off the shelf book is likely not a fair representation of the faction until such time as they are formally released. As evidenced and per other books to date."

Does that work better for you?

That is an improvement, though I'd note that points needing updated in a "live" format is presented as a feature rather than a bug.

As with the point to lord_blackfang, though, what examples of books/rules material that haven't required updated/amendments/typo-fixing have you got, even within the realms of gaming? I can remember needing a fairly hefty binder for all the WM/H FAQs/errata, for example, so this isn't a GW-exclusive thing.

 Dysartes wrote:
That is an improvement, though I'd note that points needing updated in a "live" format is presented as a feature rather than a bug.

As with the point to lord_blackfang, though, what examples of books/rules material that haven't required updated/amendments/typo-fixing have you got, even within the realms of gaming? I can remember needing a fairly hefty binder for all the WM/H FAQs/errata, for example, so this isn't a GW-exclusive thing.

Live updates is certainly a feature, but GW selling them in printed format only with a QR code to the updated versions, i.e. out of date on print possibly, with a book that can't register due to being early release, with units that have no analogous entry elsewhere is simply bad design.

But for some hyperbole of the year, I'll quote you back to yourself from a day or so back:

 Dysartes wrote:

You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface

I'm optimistic about seeing a fair amount of EC at LVO, but we'll know soon enough.

Lucius is looking really good though. Never been a huge fan of the character but I love the silhouette of the new sculpt.

 xttz wrote:


I'm not 'advocating' for anything here. If I say I that expect it's going to rain, that doesn't mean I want to get wet.

We have rumours from sources with established track records that point towards:
a) Guard in January
b) Eldar in February
c) EC will get an army box release

There is also the fact that the 40k release schedule 'needs' to push out codexes at a fairly rapid rate this year following the recent pause. They're not going to hang around, think of the shareholders!

I fully expect this because I've been holding out for the Knight codex and GW are liars. Not yet, but they will be!

Dudeface wrote:
Live updates is certainly a feature, but GW selling them in printed format only with a QR code to the updated versions, i.e. out of date on print possibly, with a book that can't register due to being early release, with units that have no analogous entry elsewhere is simply bad design.

I don't recall - at least during 10th - any cases of points changing between "army box preview" and general release. I might be wrong on that, but nothing has stuck in my memory. There have definitely been FAQs (somehow - how can people be asking questions frequently before a book comes out?), and rules errata, but I don't recall points changing.

Dudeface wrote:
But for some hyperbole of the year, I'll quote you back to yourself from a day or so back:

 Dysartes wrote:

You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface

Here's the thing:
a, I already agreed with you on not thinking the "army box preview" type release is a good move. I'd rather see them release with the regular 'dex at the same time, then people can buy what they want. It'd make for an interesting A/B test, if nothing else.
b, I don't think releasing books with rules in them - and directing people where to look for changes via QR code, for that matter - falls under the heading of a poor decision or bad design.

 Dysartes wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Live updates is certainly a feature, but GW selling them in printed format only with a QR code to the updated versions, i.e. out of date on print possibly, with a book that can't register due to being early release, with units that have no analogous entry elsewhere is simply bad design.

I don't recall - at least during 10th - any cases of points changing between "army box preview" and general release. I might be wrong on that, but nothing has stuck in my memory. There have definitely been FAQs (somehow - how can people be asking questions frequently before a book comes out?), and rules errata, but I don't recall points changing.

Dudeface wrote:
But for some hyperbole of the year, I'll quote you back to yourself from a day or so back:

 Dysartes wrote:

You don't have to defend GW's poor decisions every time, Dudeface

Here's the thing:
a, I already agreed with you on not thinking the "army box preview" type release is a good move. I'd rather see them release with the regular 'dex at the same time, then people can buy what they want. It'd make for an interesting A/B test, if nothing else.
b, I don't think releasing books with rules in them - and directing people where to look for changes via QR code, for that matter - falls under the heading of a poor decision or bad design.

We will have to agree to disagree. I don't think wasting a tree on a book that is flat out wrong within 6 months, asking for the associated money, just to give a code for an a digital rules resource is a good design. It's at a minimum adding unnecessary steps, it's definitely a waste of paper for a lot of people and at worst it's an incredibly dishonest sales process if you look at a lot of the most heavily edited books like dark angels.

The physical rules are pretty far departed from what is correct at this point and being forced to
pay £30 for a set of physical incorrect rules seems... wrong.

Either way, have a nice day.

If that is a new Black Knight kit I wonder if it will continue to pull double duty as Hexwraiths, or if they are getting replaced as well?

Because the current Hexwraiths build is horrible to put together and looks like crap when you're done, so it's the one thing in the Nighthaunt range that really, really needs a redo.

 The Phazer wrote:
If that is a new Black Knight kit I wonder if it will continue to pull double duty as Hexwraiths, or if they are getting replaced as well?

Because the current Hexwraiths build is horrible to put together and looks like crap when you're done, so it's the one thing in the Nighthaunt range that really, really needs a redo.

I'm betting it's just a mounted Wight Lord to serve as the token model for the Vampire release.

The absence of any mention of HH release for LVO, and the general dearth of HH releases lately, seems to support the rumour of a 3rd Edition release this year. Which is bad news for those of us who jumped from WH40k to HH to escape the 3 year edition churn.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
If that is a new Black Knight kit I wonder if it will continue to pull double duty as Hexwraiths, or if they are getting replaced as well?

Because the current Hexwraiths build is horrible to put together and looks like crap when you're done, so it's the one thing in the Nighthaunt range that really, really needs a redo.

I'm betting it's just a mounted Wight Lord to serve as the token model for the Vampire release.

Doubtful as that already exists and is still relatively young.

The Necromunda bug has got to be a new milliasaur.