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 CMLR wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
SALAMANDERS AND SERAPHON!!

I'M BEYOND EXTATIC!!

Where are Seraphon?

There's a membrane wing in one of the teaser images on the road map, but that's probably a Khinerai.

1. That was FEC
2. Even after that, there was an hypnotoad gazing upon your soul: https://youtu.be/08tRhsL0VWc?si=gWV6rU7X27Gh47hh&t=1771

I think it’s something to do with Chaos Dwarves. They’re rumoured by Whitefang on TGA who has an almost perfect rumour track record, and the symbol on the right ear looks similar to some CD related symbols (Horns of Hashut etc).

chaos0xomega wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:



Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.

Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.

Unless I missed something really big, there's a few new resin models, but no new plastic kits.

 streetsamurai wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:



Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.

Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.

Unless I missed something really big, there's a few new resin models, but no new plastic kits.

The Ellyrian Reavers are new.

Ellyrian Reavers are young nobles who rove the wilds of the province of Ellyria, skilled light shock cavalry as swift as scouring gales. This new kit is heavily influenced by the miniatures found in the old Island of Blood boxed set released way back in 2010, though comprehensively resculpted for the new era.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:



Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.

Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.

Unless I missed something really big, there's a few new resin models, but no new plastic kits.

The Ellyrian Reavers are new.

Ellyrian Reavers are young nobles who rove the wilds of the province of Ellyria, skilled light shock cavalry as swift as scouring gales. This new kit is heavily influenced by the miniatures found in the old Island of Blood boxed set released way back in 2010, though comprehensively resculpted for the new era.

Holy damn, I was sure it was the ones from IOB. I retract completely my previous post then, bar the complaint about these dotards archers and spearmen.

Are there any close ups of them? I can't manage to find some

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Oh, dont get me wrong, some of these minis are sill great looking (but these spearmens...... damn, they were already old and ugly decades ago).. But my main dissapointment is with TOW only putting back old models into production and acting like it's somewhat a new rellease.

Thete ARE some legitimately new models and kits in this release though.

Unless I missed something really big, there's a few new resin models, but no new plastic kits.

The Ellyrian Reavers are new.

Ellyrian Reavers are young nobles who rove the wilds of the province of Ellyria, skilled light shock cavalry as swift as scouring gales. This new kit is heavily influenced by the miniatures found in the old Island of Blood boxed set released way back in 2010, though comprehensively resculpted for the new era.

Which does beg the question: why? Of all the kits to update, why slightly improve on a perfectly nice looking existing set? The models look near-identical; the biggest differences I can spot comparing pictures is that the spears are now at a different angle, and there is a full command included (rather than just the champion - and not sure if a standard bearer is the biggest necessity in light cav?). I suppose most of the work with these had been done already, but how much nicer would it have been to instead just have an updated set of Silver Helms, perhaps designed in such a way that their command bits could work for the Ellyrian Reavers too... (and yeah, basic spear and bow troops need an update too; people were put off by them in 8th and they'll be equally put off by them now. The Lothern Sea Guard and other Island of Blood things look as great as on the day they were released though, lovely minis)

It means Island of Blood is never coming back, doesn't it

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Which does beg the question: why?

They might have had the kit on file from before WFB went belly up.

In any case, if GW was willing to launch the game with TK skellies front and centre, the HE hamhands had no chance of receiving an update. I imagine none of the core troops for the remaining re-released factions are going to receive an update until the game switches over to refresh mode.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Which does beg the question: why? Of all the kits to update, why slightly improve on a perfectly nice looking existing set? The models look near-identical; the biggest differences I can spot comparing pictures is that the spears are now at a different angle, and there is a full command included (rather than just the champion - and not sure if a standard bearer is the biggest necessity in light cav?). I suppose most of the work with these had been done already, but how much nicer would it have been to instead just have an updated set of Silver Helms, perhaps designed in such a way that their command bits could work for the Ellyrian Reavers too... (and yeah, basic spear and bow troops need an update too; people were put off by them in 8th and they'll be equally put off by them now. The Lothern Sea Guard and other Island of Blood things look as great as on the day they were released though, lovely minis)

Ellyrian Reavers, Swordmasters and Lothern Sea Guard needed a re-cut because they shared sprues with Skaven. There was zero chance that they would have been released otherwise. That being said, only Swordmasters (with new optional command group bits) and Seaguard are actually re-cut, Ellyrian Reavers are all new sculpts.

This reveal did nothing for me, a big fat meh. But I'm happy for anyone who did see something they were waiting for.

jullevi wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Which does beg the question: why? Of all the kits to update, why slightly improve on a perfectly nice looking existing set? The models look near-identical; the biggest differences I can spot comparing pictures is that the spears are now at a different angle, and there is a full command included (rather than just the champion - and not sure if a standard bearer is the biggest necessity in light cav?). I suppose most of the work with these had been done already, but how much nicer would it have been to instead just have an updated set of Silver Helms, perhaps designed in such a way that their command bits could work for the Ellyrian Reavers too... (and yeah, basic spear and bow troops need an update too; people were put off by them in 8th and they'll be equally put off by them now. The Lothern Sea Guard and other Island of Blood things look as great as on the day they were released though, lovely minis)

Ellyrian Reavers, Swordmasters and Lothern Sea Guard needed a re-cut because they shared sprues with Skaven. There was zero chance that they would have been released otherwise. That being said, only Swordmasters (with new optional command group bits) and Seaguard are actually re-cut, Ellyrian Reavers are all new sculpts.

In addition to that, without a redesign, there's no way to sell bigger units without a lot of excess wasted command models or completely redesigning the sprue. There were only 2 base Reavers in the IoB set, so even a massive recut to multiply enough of those two sculpts would have been a lot of work.

And the recut sprues now have a standard bearer and musician, both of which were not part of the original Isle of Blood unit.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
It means Island of Blood is never coming back, doesn't it

Yeah, probably. That's a shame. I would love to have that plastic Warlock.

So, a question from someone who didn't watch the livesream, as I don't see anything about it in the articles - according to the last roadmap for 40k we were presented with, Imperial Knights were in the same group as the Guard and the Eldar. Was there any mention in the stream as to why they've vanished into the Warp?

 Dysartes wrote:
So, a question from someone who didn't watch the livesream, as I don't see anything about it in the articles - according to the last roadmap for 40k we were presented with, Imperial Knights were in the same group as the Guard and the Eldar. Was there any mention in the stream as to why they've vanished into the Warp?

On their social media they have stated that "they don't have anymore information at this time" but some people have spoken about a botched release that had to be canned last minute and reworked, could be the knights having a production issue?

Well we know it wasn't about rules quality

More likely someone dropped a shipping crate off a pier or something

Or could be a design went through all the way to production or near production and then they found out some critical part was missing on the mould or worse some design that they thought was going to cast fine suddenly wound up with an undercut or detail that didn't cast correctly. Suddenly they need to go right back to the start and if it was a critical core part of a model it might even have required a total redesign of whatever it was they were making.

I also floated the idea that GW has a LOT of big releases of large updates going out the door and perhaps Knights was similar and production simply threw up their hands and said "NO" to another big release in the same timeframe and forced them to swap out for a smaller one or two to give them space to cope

Could also just be that the bean counters determined that the knights release was not conducive to financial performance metrics for the second half of the fiscal year, so they pushed the release out to the summer and pulled in other releases that will carry higher revenue or better margins to try to make numbers.

Wouldnt be the first time, probably not the last either.

It might also not be one big thing but a few small things that added up - a delayed model; the pressure on production; the bean counters; marketing studies; something else; a staffer at the top end hating knights and pushing them to a different slot; a staffer at the top loving knights and pushing them to a latter typically higher performing slot etc...

Short of any kind of official announcement from GW (not bloody likely), anything thrown about here is just pure speculation.

It could just be an error where it was supposed to come under "up next" and it's still happening.

After all, 30K wasn't in the line up for LVO...

SamusDrake wrote:
It could just be an error where it was supposed to come under "up next" and it's still happening.

After all, 30K wasn't in the line up for LVO...

Well it was in a proper put together ‘roadmap’ before, so it would have been quite the mistake to make it through to that. Whereas I think they just showed the Thanatar because the initial article was unclear and it was really obvious what it was anyway. It definitely seems like plans have changed for the Knight release for whatever reason.

Oh-ho, just noticed that the Emperor's Children melee dudes are ambidextrous, with both left- and right-handed pistols and swords! It's been a while since marines got to do that!

lord_blackfang wrote:It means Island of Blood is never coming back, doesn't it

Dagnabbit.
Skaven & High Elves are my top two armies for Old World. I would probably buy 2 copies if they did an MTO or something.