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Lord Zarkov wrote:
Tbh, if they want some separation from main 40k, it wouldn’t be the worst thing if they released it the same way the did originally:

Start with a limited game covering specifically the Gothic War and the factions involved, then expand out from there if it’s popular.

Like you said, it wouldn't be the worst thing... But there is a risk.

I absolutely will not buy Legions Imperialis, for example, UNTIL it includes Xenos. So if you release it without them, you may ASSUME I'm not interested. It would be a big mistake, because if Xenos come, I might end up being a whale... But the company will never know unitl they actually do it.

I want to play Xenos fleets in BFG. If you release a version that does not include Xenos fleets, you'll never know that I want them.

 Platuan4th wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
What fun timing...

https://blog.warcradle.com/blog/prepare-for-your-voyage-beyond-the-black-ocean

Oh, hey Cruddace.

Saw that and any interest I had died a grisly death.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
What fun timing...

https://blog.warcradle.com/blog/prepare-for-your-voyage-beyond-the-black-ocean

Oh, hey Cruddace.

Saw that and any interest I had died a grisly death.

For those of us who don't know who everyone and everything is could you elaborate on the problem?

 PenitentJake wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:
Tbh, if they want some separation from main 40k, it wouldn’t be the worst thing if they released it the same way the did originally:

Start with a limited game covering specifically the Gothic War and the factions involved, then expand out from there if it’s popular.

Like you said, it wouldn't be the worst thing... But there is a risk.

I absolutely will not buy Legions Imperialis, for example, UNTIL it includes Xenos. So if you release it without them, you may ASSUME I'm not interested. It would be a big mistake, because if Xenos come, I might end up being a whale... But the company will never know unitl they actually do it.

I want to play Xenos fleets in BFG. If you release a version that does not include Xenos fleets, you'll never know that I want them.

Gothic War had Eldar Corsairs and Orks, with the former especially playing a major role in the big battle. If they went Gothic War vs HH I’d expect to see at least those.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
What fun timing...

https://blog.warcradle.com/blog/prepare-for-your-voyage-beyond-the-black-ocean

Oh, hey Cruddace.

Saw that and any interest I had died a grisly death.

For those of us who don't know who everyone and everything is could you elaborate on the problem?

Cruddace was in charge of a lot of Warhammer and/or 40k stuff during a period where the game was doing not great and people were dissatisfied, is what I remember to a vague degree.

And yet, for the hate he gets thrown his way, he wrote the 5th edition Imperial Guard codex, and it was the best one we ever had.

I do hope it is eventually a BFG bring back, that would be awesome. A lot of people talking about it being HH but why? That seems like kicking yourself directly in the voonerables before you even get going.

 PenitentJake wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:
Tbh, if they want some separation from main 40k, it wouldn’t be the worst thing if they released it the same way the did originally:

Start with a limited game covering specifically the Gothic War and the factions involved, then expand out from there if it’s popular.

Like you said, it wouldn't be the worst thing... But there is a risk.

I absolutely will not buy Legions Imperialis, for example, UNTIL it includes Xenos. So if you release it without them, you may ASSUME I'm not interested. It would be a big mistake, because if Xenos come, I might end up being a whale... But the company will never know unitl they actually do it.

I want to play Xenos fleets in BFG. If you release a version that does not include Xenos fleets, you'll never know that I want them.

I am the same. Initially I had some interest but when I found out it was not going to include Xenos and was just going to be effectively HH (near) mirror matches, my wallet shut and has remained closed ever since. The same would happen for any BFG remake.
The same kind of thing occurred during that spell when Black Library had its now defunct "No non-Imperial POV or Xenos POV" policy. There are so many factions and potential perspectives to explore. Deliberately pigeonholing yourself into a tiny repetitive POV was illogically throwing away opportunities and alienating segments of the customer base.

 Snrub wrote:
And yet, for the hate he gets thrown his way, he wrote the 5th edition Imperial Guard codex, and it was the best one we ever had.

I thought the same exact thing; I love that book.

 Snrub wrote:
And yet, for the hate he gets thrown his way, he wrote the 5th edition Imperial Guard codex, and it was the best one we ever had.

It was one of the strongest but I wouldn't say best ever.

But overall he was, if I remember correctly, in charge of the actual 40k studio for rules during the dark times. Nothing he touched, outside of that one guard book, were any good. It's a 50/50 bet if it was him or Ward that got authors names removed from codexes (I'd bet on Cruddace cause for all the silly Ward stuff he wasn't truly actively hated at the time).

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
And yet, for the hate he gets thrown his way, he wrote the 5th edition Imperial Guard codex, and it was the best one we ever had.

It was one of the strongest but I wouldn't say best ever.

But overall he was, if I remember correctly, in charge of the actual 40k studio for rules during the dark times. Nothing he touched, outside of that one guard book, were any good. It's a 50/50 bet if it was him or Ward that got authors names removed from codexes (I'd bet on Cruddace cause for all the silly Ward stuff he wasn't truly actively hated at the time).

They removed the writing credits because Ward reportedly received death threats(which also led to him taking a sabbatical from GW at the same time).

So far only Aeronautica has made the Heresy-era switch, which could be a temporary measure until GW can relaunch the game at a later date.

The plan might have been for Titanicus to be the prelude to Epic-30K, and Aeronautica the prelude to Epic-40K released a year later, but the covid crisis probably saw set backs to GW's plans on certain projects.

So maybe BFG isn't on the way, but Aeronautica-40K followed by Epic 40K. Just a thought.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
And yet, for the hate he gets thrown his way, he wrote the 5th edition Imperial Guard codex, and it was the best one we ever had.

It was one of the strongest but I wouldn't say best ever.

But overall he was, if I remember correctly, in charge of the actual 40k studio for rules during the dark times. Nothing he touched, outside of that one guard book, were any good. It's a 50/50 bet if it was him or Ward that got authors names removed from codexes (I'd bet on Cruddace cause for all the silly Ward stuff he wasn't truly actively hated at the time).

They removed the writing credits because Ward reportedly received death threats(which also led to him taking a sabbatical from GW at the same time).

Sadly I think this is possibly one factor that led to the Warhammer Kids books not being updated as often/as loudly - cause apparently some of those authors also got some really horrible messages too.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What would be the new name tho? It obviously can't be Battlefleet Gothic, unless it again takes place entirely in the Gothic Sector?

Maybe Battlefleet Terra?

The whole thing can be the culmination of the Heresy?

I mean, wouldn't you want the Phalanx to play with?

Not if it meant that those wanting to play Eldar/Orks/Tau/Necrons/etc couldn't join in the fun.

as silly as it was, I also think one of the things that made it popular was the age of sail style of play. The game gave everything a real sense of weight, ponderously coming to new headings etc.

Which allowed the more agile factions to stand out and give you a large range of play styles to use. Those big movement differences between factions allowed a pretty limited set of rules to give a big difference in play for each one.

It doesn't have to be Gothic, it could be Nachmund or something more relevant. But it really needs those alien factions to make the game fun.

If it's not modern 40k, you lose nids, necrons and tau. Only orks and the various eldar fleets are around the entire time.

The votann are around, and it would be cool to see their fleets updated. But their tech is still just human tech.

BFG is also in a unique position to introduce more aliens than normal 40k, because the investment is so low in comparison. We had the fra'al raider released by SG what 18 years ago? Plenty of opportunities to see new and interesting aliens, rather than 16 different symbols sculpted on imperial ships...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They waited too long. Everyone who’s interested in BFG is swimming in 3D printed minis by now. And the designs are so good there’s not much GW could do to impress anymore.

Kinda?

I’d love me some BFG models. Like Epic, they’re the natural recipient of Contrast, once you’ve done some drybrushing to pre-shade.

But, I typically want BFG. Not BFG-a-like. Some I would go 3rd Party, where I just want it to try something clever painting wise, which the second hand market prices makes prohibitive.

And I’m pretty confident I’m not the only one with this approach. Not to mention the appeal to new players, Spesh since Armada was canned.

Not a criticism of those who go with 3rd Party stuff like,

Can you explain where you're coming from a bit more? Because if you're printing there are everything from literal scans of the models to 1:1 from scratch-modelled recreations to "HD remake" versions that are basically what we might expect from modern GW's kit quality out there. You can even find stuff like the FW transport ships that were available for about five minutes or random people's conversions that showed up in White Dwarf or whatever. And for new players, eh, honestly I think people place too much emphasis on that - these niche games are never going to be store-staple products you can just drop in and play without notice like 40K or AoS, so effort to find games and players will be a factor regardless, why not just get going now and by the time GW get around to it you'll already have a group.

Honestly I've found it *harder* to find people to play SGs with since GW released updated versions, not easier, because the release model of book after book after book generates so much Content you need to be pretty dedicated to sift it all and create a bespoke experience for your group/wrangle amongst yourselves what to use so a lot of the people I've know who were super enthused by eg Necromunda '17 have long since burned out. At the same time the mere existence of an Official Supported Product means a lot of people won't even look at the classic versions now.

 Tawnis wrote:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:
Every time this or Mordheim comes up I find myself baffled and confused. You don't need to wait, or speculate, or fantasize: they're right there. The rules are free, there are endless 3rd party and printable minis, there are online communities to help you find games - if you like them then just go and play them, you don't need GW's permission.

You are correct to a point, but having a currently supported game brings more people to play it. Yeah, I could get myself a third party fleet, and I still have my old rulebook, but unless I'm building everyone else's fleet for them, I still have to convince other people to get into the game and invest time to build / paint a fleet as well, it's not an easy sell when most people are behind in the systems they already play and if I were to randomly stop playing, they'd have done all that work for nothing.

It's much easier to have even a minimally maintained game so you can get in with the people currently playing it.

See above, I firmly disagree. I have never found it easier to find games for the SGs than in the period where GW completely forgot they exist. And putting together a second or even third faction for these small model count systems is hardly some monumental task, you can knock out a fleet of BFG ships in an evening with coloured primer>drybrush>wash>metallics.

Like I say it just feels like people are waiting for *permission* to do something rather than just doing it.

 Snrub wrote:
And yet, for the hate he gets thrown his way, he wrote the 5th edition Imperial Guard codex, and it was the best one we ever had.

Certainly the *strongest*, but that was rather the issue. As for *best*, GW have yet to top 3.5 and I doubt they ever will.

IIRC Cruddace had 1 bad codex and 2 excellent ones and died in infamy for it.

On 30k vs 40K? I guess it depends on the investment risk.

30k? Let’s face it, it probably has the lowest investment risk. Three base factions. Loyalist, Traitor, Mechanicum. The Expeditionary Fleets are described as a mix of elements. So you’ve what would eventually become Imperial Navy Ships, Battle Barges and Mechanicum ships etc.

40K? Much greater variety in terms of forces. That requires additional rules writing to ensure differences in how they operate on the board. Much of that already exists from the original BFG and the Armada expansion.

Both would probably have the same count of individual ship classes. And so I don’t think either setting necessarily represents a larger investment in sculpts and moulds.

But which audience is most likely to buy? I honestly don’t know. The Heresy games have a reputation of being predominantly older gamers, with deeper pockets. But 40K is presumably a much larger audience overall.

So the way I see it, there’s swings and roundabouts for each. I think on balance, just for variety of challenges, I’d prefer a 40K set one. But with 28mm and Epic Dark Angels, I’m not gonna be even slightly miffed if it’s

A) Actually coming
B) Heresy set.

And it’s A) I need to behave myself with. I want it to be true. Boy do I. So much so I’m having a hard time tempering my excitement over such a throwaway “entirely possibly just a joke” line.

 PenitentJake wrote:

Lord Zarkov wrote:
Tbh, if they want some separation from main 40k, it wouldn’t be the worst thing if they released it the same way the did originally:

Start with a limited game covering specifically the Gothic War and the factions involved, then expand out from there if it’s popular.

Like you said, it wouldn't be the worst thing... But there is a risk.

I absolutely will not buy Legions Imperialis, for example, UNTIL it includes Xenos. So if you release it without them, you may ASSUME I'm not interested. It would be a big mistake, because if Xenos come, I might end up being a whale... But the company will never know unitl they actually do it.

I want to play Xenos fleets in BFG. If you release a version that does not include Xenos fleets, you'll never know that I want them.

Same; for me, no Eldar no buy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And it’s A) I need to behave myself with. I want it to be true. Boy do I. So much so I’m having a hard time tempering my excitement over such a throwaway “entirely possibly just a joke” line.

Remember we've had far more solid BFG hints in the recent past... pictures of space battles and even a community question along the lines of "which was your favourite fleet engagement"

And it ended up being a lead up to Vashtorr's assault on the Rock in 40k, or something like that.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Is it that important for games to be about the warhammer 40k setting? I ask because if you're serious about BFG, Dropfleet Commander exists and by all accounts is updated BFG minus the theme.

The first edition mechanics were very much a modernized BFG as envisioned by Andy. Chambers. 2nd edition is still shaking out and I don’t have a feel for it yet.

The minis are fantastic, with plenty of options in plastic. The background is great, although it’s newer and this less developed than 40k.

Yeah, nobody's really gonna compete with GW on sheer amount of and depth of background even if these days it's getting a little bit retcon-y and the satire is long gone.

And Doc, fair shout, I've thought the same about Dropfleet ships - they're pretty samey (some might say uniform? But I think that might be a bit generous)

Billicus wrote:
And Doc, fair shout, I've thought the same about Dropfleet ships - they're pretty samey (some might say uniform? But I think that might be a bit generous)

I mean... the entire BFG range was 1 cruiser sculpt per faction with combinations of 3 weapons modules...


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Heck for the Imperials the amount of cruiser combinations for their single cruiser design was nuts. It was very much a lot of "Jack of all trades" ship core designs.


Dropfleet actually achieves way more variation in their core ship designs for most fleets. I think the only one you could say its really samey is Bioficers and that's mostly because their whole thing is "this ship is a gun with engines" approach to space warfare.

Not to mention right now you've got plastic core and resin alternatives for many ships as they've been steadily moving toward GW level good plastics across their range (not all there yet but fleets like Bioficer and UCM are almost entirely all new plastics now)

That seems pretty definitive. If we do get redone BFG sounds like it will be in the 5-10 years away range still

Can someone describe the pic? It’s region locked in the Uk :(

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Can someone describe the pic? It’s region locked in the Uk :(

I take it you what you mean to say is that you can't prove to Imgur that you're an adult.

It's an unknown user posting that Battlefleet Heresy is done, with a single faction model range ala Titanicus

Also says all HH Custards are about to be replaced

Interesting.

And yeah. No imgur in the UK.

Yeah Imgur just flat out refused to put age verification systems in place so they just turned the UK off

 Overread wrote:
Yeah Imgur just flat out refused to put age verification systems in place so they just turned the UK off

Is there another image hosting you folks can access?

Erm…I’ve no idea!