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I had the misfortune of getting stuck in an escalation battle against mauleed's podding army. My main problem with this is that 1/3 of my points are tied up in in 5 assault terminators, a chaplin and a LRC, all separate force org choices. 

Basically the question is, if I start the terminators off the board, and manage to pass the reserve roll for both the terminators and the landraider on the same turn, can the terminators come onto the board already inside the landraider? Ed says no, and i'm pretty much convinced he's right, since my search this morning didnt turn up any evidence in my favor. All ive got going for me is "a red shirt let me do it," and to that Ed says "well what do they know." Is there anytime i missed anywhere that would give my argument some support?

No, PlasmaMike, you are pretty much screwed. You cannot embark the assault termies or the chaplin in the LRC. If it was a dedicated transport that would be different for the termies.

Darrian

why havent you set it up as a dedicated transport? thats what it is there for


not only that but it was stated somewhere i have forgotten exactly where it was so someone please help that the lr and the lrc are interchangeable as a dedicated transport option

Posted By The Drop Zone on 09/09/2006 12:35 PM
why havent you set it up as a dedicated transport? thats what it is there for


not only that but it was stated somewhere i have forgotten exactly where it was so someone please help that the lr and the lrc are interchangeable as a dedicated transport option

They are not.  If you have the option to take a Land Raider as a dedicated transport, then that means the Land Raider only.  Not a Land Raider Crusader or any of the other Land Raider variants.

Black Templars can take the LRC as a transport.

Actually I thought you could take any land raider or its variant as a dedicated transport. I'm not quite sure where the rules say but I think the familiar line is "note in this text land raider applies to it and its variants". So LRC as a transport makes sense.

Here is the other thing, I would say you are forked. embarking while off the table makes no sense (I mean how do you actually make that happen?) and the red shirt that said "okey dokey" needs to give better clarification for why its okay.

Posted By ATI on 09/09/2006 6:49 PM
Actually I thought you could take any land raider or its variant as a dedicated transport. I'm not quite sure where the rules say but I think the familiar line is "note in this text land raider applies to it and its variants". So LRC as a transport makes sense.

No.  And there is no rules passage that states that they're talking about any and all variants when they tell you what units can use a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.  When they tell you that you can use a Land Raider as a dedicated transport, they only mean the Land Raider.  Not the Crusader, Prometheus, Helios, etc.

He never said if he was playing BT. Of course assault terminators are not an option for command squad.

Say Green Bloater, you wouldn't happen to know a guy who's screen name is Burnthexenos, would you?

Darrian

Who is that?

It all depends on the event. Some say yes some say no and some say I dont need 2 reserve rolls to do it.

Posted By Darkness on 09/11/2006 9:05 AM
It all depends on the event. Some say yes some say no and some say I dont need 2 reserve rolls to do it.

While it is true that any game played is going to require some give-and-take between players to work there are written rules to follow.

1) You can only perform actions that the rules allow you to do.

2) The only rules for embarking on a (non-dedicated) transport vehicle are during deployment (when placing units on the table before the game) or during the movement phase on the table.

3) So, if a unit wishes to embark on a non-dedicated transport by the rules they have to do so once on the table during the movement phase.

 

Some nice players may let you do otherwise, but in general you're going to have to spend a turn embarking the unit on board the transport.

 

Posted By Ghaz on 09/09/2006 7:09 PM

Posted By ATI on 09/09/2006 6:49 PM
Actually I thought you could take any land raider or its variant as a dedicated transport. I'm not quite sure where the rules say but I think the familiar line is "note in this text land raider applies to it and its variants". So LRC as a transport makes sense.

No.  And there is no rules passage that states that they're talking about any and all variants when they tell you what units can use a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.  When they tell you that you can use a Land Raider as a dedicated transport, they only mean the Land Raider.  Not the Crusader, Prometheus, Helios, etc.

ghaz

for one thing the prometheus and the helios are forge world variants only thus they have no standing in regulation 40k so thats kind of a moot point

secondly

there is a rule in a book in not sure which chapter approved section it is in that states .. and the reason was older codecies didnt have crusaders available to them when printed...that if it says land raiders you can use crusaders as well.. i will find the page number and issue its just escaping me right now

Well, until you can provide that quote, your point is moot.

Posted By The Drop Zone on 09/13/2006 1:59 PM

there is a rule in a book in not sure which chapter approved section it is in that states .. and the reason was older codecies didnt have crusaders available to them when printed...that if it says land raiders you can use crusaders as well.. i will find the page number and issue its just escaping me right now

No such rule exists in 4th edition that allows you to use Land Raiders and Land Raider Crusaders interchangeably as transport options.  When they say 'Land Raider', then that is what they mean.  Not a Land Raider Crusader or any of it's other variants (so my first point is not moot).

who says forge world stuff has such as the heliou and promethious have no standing in regular 40k? what the hell is that supposed to meen??