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Does an independent character with a retinue/command squad count as a scoring unit?

no, just the command/retinue count as scoring. the IC never counts as scoring

Warhammer 40,000 4th edition rulebook page 86, Units With Distinct Elements.

i was gona add that but yeah ghaz is correct as to where you can find the actualk rule that says its a no go.

So the retinue/command squad is a scoring unit and its IC is not?

Are you guys really responding to a troll?

Darrian

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Prove it by not trolling anymore. :-D

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I do not have the rule book in front of me, but i believe the IC's wounds count towards the strength of his retinue. I could be wrong as I do not have the book in front of me.

Yep you're wrong. Page 86 ("units with distinct elements") is crystal clear as Ghaz pointed out in the 2nd reply.

dont stop Green Bloater trolling. he is a troll and thats what they do. plus its amusing.

The rule you are referring to Darkness is that the total number of wounds in a unit counts towards Assault resolution for purposes of numbering and so forth. However, the IC gets no calculation for holding objectives (IE unit above or below 50%). Now, units that don't start off as independent characters, like crisis suits with multiple wounds certainly count the number of wounds they have for the purposes of being above or below 50% (I think some crisis suits are not IC but have 2 wounds). Or I guess a better example could be hive warriors each with two wounds in a pack of three. Anyways, the IC does not count towards a total units strength for holding an objective, in an assault however, the IC's wounds get added into the assault results for total wounds (for purposes of outnumbering and so forth)

Now my question is: what about Tau commanders with bodyguard?

tau commanders are IC correct? The retinue (bodyguards in this case) count for scoring unless it says otherwise.

The problem is GW left the old 3ed wording in for Tau commanders. It states that they are IC's 'unless accompanied by a bodyguard.' The FAQ reinforces this (as GW is sticking with RAW).

That kinda muddies the water a bit though when figuring scoring so I wanted to see what the general opinion was.

I think general opinion is to stick with page 86, as it is perfectly clear and works well. If you look at the rules for ICs with retinues in the main rulebook they also spell out how ICs with retinues work nicely. These are some of the nice clear rules from 4th ed, and you should appreciate them, as such easy issues don?t often pop up in YMTC.

Never mind. I looked at the FAQ again and it makes it clear that Tau Commanders follow the 4ed rulebook and not what's written in the codex (for some reason I thought it did the opposite and went with the RAW).

Anyhow, seems like it would be hard to claim a Shas'el is scoring when accompanied by a bodyguard when the FAQ makes it clear the Shas'el is still treated as an IC for combat purposes (he just can't leave the unit).