i do tank companies and points denial my tau list is as follows

i made up a similar eldar list with the new dex just to see what it would look like

eldritch storm. singing spear, rune of warding, rune of witness

1-5 man dire avengers

twin-linked bright lance, shuriken cannon, spirit stone, vectored engines

2-5 man dire avengers

twin-linked bright lance, shuriken cannon, spirit stone, vectored engines

3-5 man dire avengers

twin-linked bright lance, shuriken cannon, spirit stone, vectored engines

4-5 man dire avengers

twin-linked bright lance, shuriken cannon, spirit stone, vectored engines

5-5 man dire avengers

twin-linked bright lance, shuriken cannon, spirit stone, vectored engines

6-5 man dire avengers

twin-linked bright lance, shuriken cannon, spirit stone, vectored engines

scatter laser, shuriken cannon, halo field, spirit stone, vectored engine

2-falcon

scatter laser, shuriken cannon, halo field, spirit stone, vectored engine

3-falcon

scatter laser, shuriken cannon, halo field, spirit stone, vectored engine

Posted By cypher on 12/15/2006 1:29 PM
Marines can't do this

And the true reason for the whining becomes apparent

Posted By skyth on 12/18/2006 9:16 AM

Posted By cypher on 12/15/2006 1:29 PM
Marines can't do this

 

And the true reason for the whining becomes apparent

Mephet'ran

if you want to go crisis heavy i can fit 19 in an 1850 list-2 6 man FW squads, an HQ fireknife with a shield generator multi tracker, stim injectors (IIRC)

9 bonded briadsides with stabalization system/ target lock, target aray, multi-tracker,  drone controller, and  2 shield drones on the upgraded team leader

9 bonded fireknifes with multi trackers/ target lock, target aray, drone controller, and  2 shield drones on the upgraded team leader

if they made the monlith a fast skimmer you would have a point. but it isn't the don't cost more because they are balanced out in other ways-an immobilized LR, russ or pred isn't immediately destroyed (without upgrades), they can use cover which a skimmer cannot., skimmers also have lighter armor. tau have less weapons and weaker weapons while eldar have crappy shooting when compared to MEQs

1.less overall points

2.when i made the list they and thier fish still could scout together as per the 3rd ed rules

3.more marker lights

looking back over it now i would probably trade one team out for the forge world  super pirahana  with TLd fusion guns to give me another tank hunting unit..

crisis teams have just as many wounds and shots as a full sized stealth team but they have much better weapons choices and longer range.

Posted By BrotherAdso on 12/15/2006 10:46 AM
Indeed, all Falcons isn't neccessary or 100% desirable. In fact, Fire Prisms can also give you a lot of bang-for-buck. With all the other vehicles in your army, it suddenly becomes harder for your opponent to give that Prism target priority, letting it do a fair massive amount of damage. In a way, Wave Serpents make a better mount for everything except Snakes, since assault troops with T3 are always better in numbers (10 in a WS vs 6), but it only takes 3-4 hitting meltaguns to get the Snakes job done.

I would go with 4x Waveserpents, 2x Fire Prisms, 1x Falcon. Two serpents with DA squads, two with assaulty Aspect squads, and a squad of Dragons in the Falcon. HQ can be a Farseer riding with one of the Assault Aspects to give them an appropriate boost when needed.

One could also go for the mean-but-cheaper concept of 10-man Guardian Storm squads with a Spearlock instead of 10-man DA squads to fill your troops slots. They can still buy the Wave Serpent (I think....11 models?), and this approach might enable you to field 5-6 WS, one Falcon, and two Prisms using the concept above.

Don't really know enough about Tau to help out there. But it does surprise me that people would need a MechTau list when they have such mean long range staying power AND firepower, and such piss-poor close combat abilities.

-Adso

if you want more bang buy the eldar firestorm from FW it has 3 scatter lasers and you can upgrade the S catapult to a cannon for a whoppin 15 S6 shots.  

you use dire avengers to fill troop slots because they are cheeper especially in min sized quads so you can put more umph into your mech units.

tau need to be mechanized because they are so piss poor in close combat- a crisis team can jump away after it fires and falcon riding FWs or pathfinders cannot be assaulted. with the proper upgrades a fish with SMS and burst cannon & targeting array shoots just as well with more range than a full 12 man FW squad. giving any tau tank the fletchette launcher makes it one of the best close combat units in the entire game-it always strikes first, it hits automatically, wounds on a 4+ reguardless of T and you must make the rolls and saves for each individual model before they get to do anything.

his is esential because footsloggin FWs are assault bait.

Posted By mughi3 on 12/18/2006 10:32 PM

Man big skimmers really need a nerfing bad...uggh.   These lists are such a headache to play against.  It's just not possible to down that many skimmers when they have decoy launchers, holo-fields, spirit stones, etc.  I hope they change the auto-glance rules in the next rules change.  Skimmers with 12+ armour should only get the only glancing rule on a 4+.  These tanks are so much harder to deal with than a ground tank and don't cost appreciably more.

 if they made the monlith a fast skimmer you would have a point. but it isn't the don't cost more because they are balanced out in other ways-an immobilized LR, russ or pred isn't immediately destroyed (without upgrades), they can use cover which a skimmer cannot., skimmers also have lighter armor. tau have less weapons and weaker weapons while eldar have crappy shooting when compared to MEQs

Standard Issue Falcon...Vectored Engines, Holo Field, Stones...just like you don't find a Rhino without extra armor and smoke launchers.  There is only ONE way to kill a falcon in one turn, and there's only a 1 in 36 chance of it happening.  You state that a skimmer can't use cover..?  Whynot?  Can I ALWAYS target the skimmer, no matter what?  If so, then I've been playing wrong for awhile now.  Cover isn't as important to them anyway...they don't need the possible hull-down rule, plus they don't get killed easily at all.  I'd rather stick it out in the middle and let everything shoot at it.  Good luck rolling boxcars to kill it. 

The rule someone stated earlier, which is kinda funny because the group of guys I normally play with suggested the same thing...skimmers only getting the auto glance on a 4+, would be great.  I'd even be fine with the rule if the vehicle only was affected by it if it moved under 12", and it was auto glance if it moved over 12".  I'd also like to see hand-to-hand attacks against the skimmers have the chance to Pen...they already need 6's to hit as it is, why make it even harder?  As it is, the Falcon/Prism/etc is worth a whole lot more than what its points dictates.  One of our group won't even field more than one, he believes it's too cheesy.  Just my 2 cents.

 

"Any hits that beat the Armor Value of a mobile skimmer moving more than 6" in its last movement phase count as glancing instead of penetrating hits." (69)

An immobilized skimmer is not a "mobile skimmer moving more than 6"..." It is an immobile skimmer that moved more than 6" last turn; the rule does not apply. From the moment that the skimmer is immobilized, it can be penetrated.

This rule is tactically important to know.  Use your high-volume, medium strength firepower on skimmers first, in hopes of immobilizing them.  That way, if you get lucky and knock one down, you can use your low-volume, high-strength shots to get penetrating hits on them in that same shooting phase.