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hi all

what is the optimal mechanized SoB squad config for an all comers list in your opinion ?

i was thinking of something along the lines of :

10 sisters, including:
SS with Book and bolter
1 melta
1 heavy flamer
rhino, smokes, extra armour

would it be justified to have some SoB squads with 2 meltas ? or some with 1 flamer, 1 heavy flamer ? If so in what kind of ratio ?
and would an eviscerator be worth 25 pts on the SS ? (i think not, but what do you think ?)

thanks !

There is alot of debate on what to do with the SS. In my opinion, she is there only to add faith (but the book of saint lucius is a given), so there is no need to further kit her out.

To be honest, even though I dont use it, the example you gave would be the best unit for "all comers" as it covers the whole strata.

I agree. The SS should be bare w/ a book. However, giving her an evicerator can be very nice if you want them to hold objectives. It makes them scary to assault because if the squad is not wiped out on the turn it is charged, they are going to go Spirit of the Martyr on you ass and all of a sudden you have 3+ invulnerable saves hitting you with a powerfist.

All that said, generally I configure them exactly how you do.

thanks !

on another note, anyone uses braziers ? would they find their places in the hands of eviscerator weilding seraphim VSS to add to the 2 hand flamers in the squad ?

for those interested, I put up a 1700 pts list I intend to bring to the next local tourney at :

http://www.dakkadakka.com/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/14/postid/127203/view/topic/Default.aspx

I used to use braziers, but the new book made them somewhat lackluster. They still have their uses though.

Depends on the unit youre giving them to.

Your original config is perfect. I wouldn't use the brazier as the flame templates only really work on larger squads where you can chance it to roll a lot of 6's for divine guidance. The melta is there in case your Exorcists go bye bye before you were able to make some armor go away.

No. Not for take ALL comers. You want maxium flexibility. Take out a tank, or a squad. NOTHING is safe with mixed weapons. He has to plan against anything you do, with mixed weapons he cant take anything for granted, such as "oh, that squad has two flamers? I move the dreanaught closer.....

I usually run:

10 sisters w/
mletagun, Hflamer
vet with combiflamer, book

rhino smoke extra armor.


Unless you plan on HOLDING ground and having combat...evisorator is unnecessary. I like the combibolter, yeah its 10pts, but its a bolter most of the time, and a flamer when you want to lay the DG smackdown with a second template.

I'd consider the evisorator, sometimes.....IF I was going to hold something against combat. But 2 attacks at WS3 isnt the best use of 25pts...

The Eviscerator is uneccessary and expensive -- if you're going to pay that many points, get yourself an Imagifier and better results on faithful tests. Also, for your heavy-strength hits, you have a meltagun in the squad, and if you want to be able to tank-assault, buy some cheep meltabombs for five points.

The best config for a SoB squad that'll be in a Rhino is definitely meltagun - heavy flamer - Superior with either book-n-bolter, combi-bolter, or bolt-pistol-powerweapon. The book seems uneccessary, actually, since all your units will have LD9 from the Superiors...why take so many? am I missing something?

-Adso

Yes you are.

It makes your leadership unmodifiable. No negatives, no lowering, straight LD 9 no matter what happens....

I like the idea of the combi flamer ! i'll just have to figure a way to make it work with the points however...

as for the book, for 5 pts they're dynamite since its effect is better than being fearless (with the no retreat! rule). and you can even choose not to use it if you actually want your sisters to flee (aka volountary fallback)

every SoB that can should have one...

10pts. And its worth it. You have a bolter for the most part, adna one shot flamer when you want to really lay the smackdown for double template divine guidance.

Really better than the brazier, is some regards. You buy one weapon adn yoru done, rather than the barizer and bolt pistol...

*shrug* I like it better.

Really better than the brazier, is some regards. You buy one weapon adn yoru done, rather than the barizer and bolt pistol...

in fact i was thinking about it and i realized that either the combiflamer or the brazier/bolter costs the same amount of points for the same effect.

as for the brazier/pistol, i think it's a bad idea as all you really do 5/6 times is trade a s4 ap5 shot for a ws3 s3 attack in h2h (as your main goal with SoB squads should be to rapidfire as much as possible).

unless i'm wrong of course, but then what would SoB be for ?

A traditional set up is 209 points for:

Rhino with trimmings
10 sisters
Heavy flamer, melta
Vet sister, book

I'm thinking that for a slight bump up in points (217) the following may be much better:

Rhino with trimmings
10 sisters
2x melta
Vet sister, book, combi-flamer

Realy the only time the squad is going to want to divine guidance is the turn they pop out of the rhino, and to divine guidance a flamer and heavy flamer are equivalent.

The 2 melta guns makes you much more effective Vs. MEQs and vehicles even when the squad is reduced to a few sisters and there would be no hope of divine guidance-ing.

I'm thinking maybe 2 of those squads and one standard HF/melta gun squad in my 1500 point list...

heavy flamers are always a plus it is a sisters thing. they just need those fllamers

 

 

preferably i like them as already noted-HF/melta + book., but in a repressor with extra armor from FW rather than a rhino. so you can get the firing slots, extra heavy flamer and storm bolter. 8)