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http://gt.us.games-workshop.com/Rules/rules.htm

It says Kroot mercenary armies from chapter approved are permitted. That seems new to me.

Good to see the humble tank platoon (armored company) may still be fielded.

Hey guys,
The rules are ready and all the permitted lists are listed in the packet. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments.
Just as a follow-up reminder, these rules are in use for the Games Day Tournaments as well with the following exceptions: Games Day tournaments use 1500 pt armies for both 40K and WFB and there are only 3 games at the GD tournaments. Other than that, all rules for scenarios, army creation, etc. apply.
As always, if you have questions just drop me an email!
Jeff Hall
GWUS Community Manager

Thanks Jeff

Wow, Jeff posted on DakkaDakka.

Jeff, get out of here before you read the majority of posts dissing on GW. Take cover!

Chuck

Just noticed it's 1750 pts for 40K.. didn't it used to be 1850? Never did a GT before, but I'm thinking about trying to make it to one this time around

Speaking of GTs, might I ask that a New England area tournament would be great for me. I'd love to test my mettle, but I don't like the idea of driving hundreds of miles to do it(The thought of checking in an army transport full of metal Sisters scares the bejesus out of me!)

Dump question probably but will GT's be added at a later date? Like in Dallas or Houston again?

So comp and painting are worth more than battle. Figures.

I suggest you reread the packet. There's no comp score.

You can show up with an army painted and converted by someone else and still win overall? Lame.

If you don't have time to paint and convert your army, fine, but you shouldn't expect to be eligible for any awards.

engine

I'm really happy about a lot of things, like the inclusion of Lost and the Damned and Speed Freaks. Since I play both, I appreciate that the US organizers respect those of us who have spent a lot of money and don't appreciate our lists becoming invalid like certain other organizers I could mention... <_<

Anyway, I like that they're giving us all the possible scenarios up front, but a little dissapointed at the vanilla nature of the scenarios. I guess I was one of the few that really liked the wonky stuff like Battle in the Eye of Terror.

I'm soooo happy to see comp scores dead and buried. If it's legal it's legal, and if it's fun for you, bring it. It makes me realize what a mistake it was to include comp scores for all those years. It's none of your opponant's business what you take, and his opinion is irrelivant. If it's fun for you it's fun for you and that's the end of it.

Very happy to see them being hard-nosed, at least on paper, about models being fully painted. Hope that gets people motivated so we don't have to see any more unpainted marine legs glued to bases. :wacko:

I'm not sure why they reduced the points down to 1750. I wouldn't care except that I've been working on my tournament list for a while now, and I don't want to have to fiddle with it any more. Oh well.

Anyway, hope to see a lot of you guys there at the tournament. If your army isn't painted, then get to it. :tu:


I'm thinking it would be pretty expensive to buy an army painted to a high enough quality level to get you in range of the winner's circle. Most of the armies on ebay are really low quality.
Anyway, that's actually a change from the last few seasons, where they made no distinction at all whether you painted your army or not. Presonally, I say judge the army, not where it came from. A great army is a great army is a great army.

I do have two questions so far for Jeff, if he would be so kind as to reply.

Under the space marine heading it says that:


Call me dense, but isnt using traits for any of the chapters listed in the codex optional?
I.e. if I am playing a Imperial fist army, I amy play them as codex or use the traits that they have defined specifically for imperial fists.

Or is what youre saying that you cannot pick and choose which traits a chapter has that already has defined traits?

One more question, and this is a biggie for me.

I know that this has been pointed out in the GT packet, but would enjoy a personal comment regarding "Counts as" here.

I hate the color yellow.
If I am to play an imperial fist army that isnt painted yellow, or have imperial fists iconography (i.e. "counts as" ) but is otherwise perfectly represented so there is no doubt what is what, will that army be considered legal for use in GW GT's?

Scratch built Drop pods also come to mind, as there is a forge world model, but no real "Official citadel" minitaure to represent it. Is there any guidelines that will be enforced as to how this can be followed?

Thanks for your time.


Woohoo! The death of Composition scores! Great move! Finally!

*dances on the grave of those who like to be punks and low ball players because they cant take the heat!*

That's such a cool idea. I wonder if GW will actually ever try to produce their own
clear resin stealth units. I remember someone (probably KK) posting some clear
resin predators that were out there. Very neat.

Hellfury: I thought that "counts as" referred to modeling and not paint schemes?

Posted By malfred on 01/02/2007 9:50 PM
Hellfury: I thought that "counts as" referred to modeling and not paint schemes?

To me, its one and the same, to the rules lawyers, not so clear.

I dont use imperial fists iconography nor the color yellow.

Hence why I asked.

One quick question regarding this ruling on the Imperial Guard:

How does this apply to a Vostroyan army who is given a set of 'suggested' doctrines but goes on to say that you can use any doctrines you wish?

And as for the WHFB armies, are the Slayer Army of Karak Kadrin and the Grimgor's 'Ardboyz lists intentionally left off the list of valid armies or were they mistakenly left off?

Ooh, ooh, I got one. What about daemonettes on steeds?

Hellfury: This sounds like an answer to your color questions.

I like the set up overall. I'm very glad comp is gone. Battlepoints make up 50% of your overall points and sportsmanship and painting the other half. Don't mind people not painting their own armies. Folks can come in and say they painted it, when in fact, they did not. If someone wants to drop that much coin to get an award winning army, so be it. Just enforce the rule so there aren't unpainted armies on the table. I actually like how they did the missions, much better than the half Gamma/half Omega set up. Everything is mixed so you really need to build a balanced army to take on missions. And in 4th edition form, the objectives are worth a good amount of points.

I've marked my calender for the Baltimore GT and maybe the Atlanta GD (time permitting). Hopefully, this will be the return of the GRAND tournaments.

Howdy Jeff, thanks for posting.

I just wanted to clarify that you intended for the following Chapter Approved units not to be included in the US GTs this year (since I don't see them included on the allowed army listings):

*Imperial Guard Abhuman doctrines.
*Witch Hunter Zealots.
*Blood Pact Storm Troopers (Lost and the Damned).
*Mounted Daemonettes (Chaos).


Also, IMO I think infiltration should be removed from one more scenario as currently it is available in all but one. The all infiltrating Daemonbomb Chaos army is just one variant of the fully infiltrating army that can be ridiculously potent (and rather un-fun to play against). I just think there should be a slightly higher chance that players may have to fight a battle without infiltration.

Posted By winterman on 01/02/2007 7:20 PM

So comp and painting are worth more than battle. Figures.

I suggest you reread the packet. There's no comp score.

Like people won't cheat and use the sports score as a comp score. 

 

And battle is less than 50% of total score.  Max score is 20 per game for battle, 11 for sports, and 10 for painting. (Opponent choice award...Or does that not count towards total score?)

And is there going to be a USGT rules FAQ like the UKGT one? There are alot of rules disagreements...Would be nice to know which rules are being followed and which are being ignored ahead of time so armies can be designed with the rules that are being used in mind.

Well those points levels are lower than I was expecting. I may just forgo the uber cheese list and go with a more fluffy but still potent pure Ultra Marine Drop Pod list since I'm expecting "Sports Score" to equate to a "Comp Score" in a lot of players rating.

Anyway thanks for posting the info on the GD events Jeff, I appreciate it since I will probably be attending both events.

I second the Abhuman and Zealot inquiry of Yaks as it will choose my army for me.

Also, this seems to only cover the "Games Day" associated tournaments is that correct? If so, whom do we contact about the rules for the Las Vegas "Tournament Circuit" event for it's rules Mr. Hall?

Posted By FlatlanderBoss2.0 on 01/03/2007 6:20 AM
I second the Abhuman and Zealot inquiry of Yaks as it will choose my army for me.

Also, this seems to only cover the "Games Day" associated tournaments is that correct? If so, whom do we contact about the rules for the Las Vegas "Tournament Circuit" event for it's rules Mr. Hall?

I'm pretty sure that the rules pack PDF is for the Games Workshop Run "Grand Tournaments" which includes the Vegas one.  The Games Day tournaments will be 1500 points where as actual GW Grand Tournaments will be 1750.  I'm assuming that the non GW events (Adepticon, etc) will be using their own normal tournament rules packet and points levels.

Hey guys,
Let me try and get to all your questions:

Hellfury
The Traits for Chapters of Legend only must be used if you are using Traits in general. You can always just use the basic list for any of those Chapters without any Traits.
As for Counts As, this mainly applies to models. If you want to use Imperial Fist rules with an alternate color scheme, that shouldn't be a problem as long as everything is easily identified as to what it is by the model in question. Scratch Built models are permitted for things like Drop Pods as there is no official GW model. You can always use the FW version, but if you custom build your own, that is fine.

Ghaz
Grimgor, Middenheim, and Dwarf Slayers from SOC are not part of the Approved Army lists. Those three have new parent army books that conflict with the lists in question. So we decided for ease of all involved to not allow those three. As for Vostroyan Doctrines, since they are only suggested and not defined like the others, you may use whichever ones you choose.

Yak
Abhumans, Zealots, and Blood Pact are not permitted in the GT. As for Mounted Daemonettes, well there is always something we forget! I will get those added to the list for the appropriate armies! Sorry about that.

Flatlander
These rules apply to all GW run tournaments as defined in the packet. As listed on the site, the only difference for the Games Day tournaments is that they are 3 games, and 1 day instead of 5 games and 2 days.

Hope that answers your questions!
Jeff Hall
GWUS Community Manager

Thanks Jeff for the quick answers.

Just got excited and misread a sentence. Sorry.

How long before the schedules may be known? I ask only because the Las Vegas tournament seems to span 3 days instead of usual 2.

Kudos to Jeff for listening and responding, and to GW for having Jeff. Things like this are appreciated, and make me more inclined to purchase GW models. Thank you.

Lol, I'm so glad you posted this!

And you should look into hiring yakface. He's got a nightjob, and now all he needs is a dayjob
to replace that thing he calls sleep.

We are working on the schedules now. The GT itself for Vegas and Baltimore (in November) will be on Saturday and Sunday, with Friday being a day for early registration, open gaming, and (we are planning) some cool special side events.
It is not set in stone yet, but we are working on a 2 person Doubles Tournament for Friday in Vegas. It will run from mid afternoon until Friday night. As soon as we work out the details for that, it will be posted online! We are working hard to make these events rock!
Jeff Hall
GWUS Community Manager