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Can someone explain to me why I find this more appealing than
the miniatures star wars stuff (including the starships)?

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So...they're coming out with a product to compete with their own starship CMG? Huh?

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http://www.wizkidsgames.com/wk_article.asp?cid=41243&frame=company

 

I made the same mistake but the plastic mini game is by Wizards of the Coast and the paper game is by Wizkids.  So 2 competing games by 2 companies.

Licencing for big properties like Star Wars can create odd things like this, WK must have a licence for games using paper cards and WoC for games with small figures.

There was one time where DC comics realized one company had the rights to make figures under 2cm tall, another had the rights for figures over 2cm tall, so they went and sold the rights to make figures that are EXACTLY 2cm tall.


 
   
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It's about 1/2 the cost of the Hasbro Star Wars game.

On the negative side, it's relatively flimsy card as opposed to plastic and the counters are less detailed than the plastic models.

Also, Pirates of the Spanish Main didn't exactly have an in-depth ruleset - the constructible cards may lack substance after a short while.

That said, it's cheap enough that you can start playing for a $10 investment.
   
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Posted By malfred on 02/07/2007 7:37 PM
Can someone explain to me why I find this more appealing than
the miniatures star wars stuff (including the starships)?

LINKY


Because you like running around screaming "pew, pew", but your pathetic musculature excludes you from doing this with existing Star Wars miniatures?

Or that you are a big fan of  that pirate game (I mean really big.  It really takes the wrinkles out of your trousers, if you get me) that uses the same playing piece construction?

Or is it that you simply have to make George Lucas richer?


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Posted By Asmodai on 02/07/2007 8:45 PM
Also, Pirates of the Spanish Main didn't exactly have an in-depth ruleset -
No, but it is fun...


Call me crazy, but I think these card ships actually look better than the out of scale, soft plastic, poorly detailed, usually bent offerings from Wizards...

 
   
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I won't be picking this up. I've seen how WizKids can screw up a good think with crappy rules (even worse than GW's) and a complete refusal do address concerns/issues in a tournament environment. In fact, WizKids has a track record of addressing a problem in a completely tangental way to the issue thus screwing things up in an entirely new way.

 
   
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yeah they have been developing the ecanics for thi forahile now. I thought it got canne becaus its been so long in the pip line, I forgot it was even going to happen.

One thing though, this is styrene card that they are using, not paper cards. While not extremely sturdy (I have broken a couple masts in the spanish maine armadas) they are nt any where narly ba s card stock.

as for the comparison of the pirates ruleset, no it doesnt have a 80 page rulebook, it has a single page of rules. They work quite well, even with the weird wording you have to work through. The FAQ is an amazing help with pirates, but isnt neccessary for that game to function at all.

Normally WK games come with a rulebook in each pack, so anything sold is self sustaining. An entire game in a single pack, or a decent game for the price of a tenner for an evenings worth of entertainment.

All that said, I still think that WOTC's game will come out the clear winner as the game has a better collectibility. But some people who love to collect cards will also favor this game. it has many things going for it.
Cheap.
Easy rules.
Collectible.
High amount of replay value (I have been playing pirates for a couple years now, never once regretting my purchases. just as fun now as it was when I began)
Works off of a very popular franchise.

So even though I think WOTC's game of starship battles will be more opular, the WK game wont be a red headed stepchild either.

As to why malfred feels this is more appealing than the other SW CMG items on the market now, its all crack. It just depends on what flavor of crack you enjoy.

   
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Posted By Breotan on 02/07/2007 9:10 PM
I won't be picking this up. I've seen how WizKids can screw up a good think with crappy rules (even worse than GW's) and a complete refusal do address concerns/issues in a tournament environment. In fact, WizKids has a track record of addressing a problem in a completely tangental way to the issue thus screwing things up in an entirely new way.
I will agree with that, but have been around for the entirety of the "Pirates" brand of CSG's and have regained alot of faith in how their handling the game. Since Woelf has taken over for Pirahna as rules arbitrator for the Pirates game, everything has run smoother  and many changes have been made for the better (like getting FAQ's monthly now, as opposed to bi yearly). There has been alot of cutbacks at WizKids by Topps beancounters, but the public out cry for Pirates was enough to save the game luckily.

it is even successful enough for them to make an online game for that SOE (sadly..I know) is hosting. I have been playing the online game for almost two months now, and find that even though there are bugs, the devs are quick to fix anything amiss.

piratesonline.station.sony.com/  ( and no, I am not promoting SONY just because they are promoting my own tactical genius )

The Pirates brand is looking up in the future, and is only looking brighter with their new set thats going to ride on the disney movie this summer.

 but on the subject of the SW game. if pirates mechanics are anything to go by, even if the game isnt tournament viable (not many games outside of magid the gathering really are) then it is damn fun, and damn quick to learn. When even non gamers enjoy it, you have a hit, such as the case with Pirates.

   
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Also looking forward to it, in a strange kind of way it looks much better than the plastics and some kind of scale seems to have been brought into it if the Tie and the Shuttle are anything to go by. Also one booster costs only a third and has 4-8 ships in it.

BTW, I would say: any rules are better than the wizards rule.....

You can repair the styrene easily. juts get a smal drill and some thin wire and drill into the parts that are broken and connect them via wire..... holds even better than before.

When does it show up in europe?

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I suspect it is a desire to build, the same appeal that applies to model kits, Lego, model railways and all sorts of stereotypical geeky male activities.
   
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ok.... june in the US.... looks like SPIEL in Europe.

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Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 02/07/2007 8:36 PM

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/wk_article.asp?cid=41243&frame=company

 

I made the same mistake but the plastic mini game is by Wizards of the Coast and the paper game is by Wizkids.  So 2 competing games by 2 companies.

Licencing for big properties like Star Wars can create odd things like this, WK must have a licence for games using paper cards and WoC for games with small figures.

There was one time where DC comics realized one company had the rights to make figures under 2cm tall, another had the rights for figures over 2cm tall, so they went and sold the rights to make figures that are EXACTLY 2cm tall.

Gotcha. I'm actually surprised Hasbro/WOTC let this one get by. AFAIK, they had the licenses for just about all the toy/gaming products (boardgames, RPGs, action figures, etc.).   

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I think WizKids has a patent on "constructable" card games. But I'm not sure, so don't take this as authoritative.

 
   
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Posted By syr8766 on 02/08/2007 9:55 AM
Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 02/07/2007 8:36 PM

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/wk_article.asp?cid=41243&frame=company

 

I made the same mistake but the plastic mini game is by Wizards of the Coast and the paper game is by Wizkids.  So 2 competing games by 2 companies.

Licencing for big properties like Star Wars can create odd things like this, WK must have a licence for games using paper cards and WoC for games with small figures.

There was one time where DC comics realized one company had the rights to make figures under 2cm tall, another had the rights for figures over 2cm tall, so they went and sold the rights to make figures that are EXACTLY 2cm tall.

Gotcha. I'm actually surprised Hasbro/WOTC let this one get by. AFAIK, they had the licenses for just about all the toy/gaming products (boardgames, RPGs, action figures, etc.).   


Licences can be very tricky.  If WK/Topps has the licence for cards, and if all they're selling are cards that might be assemblied into space ships they should be on firm legal ground. 

At my last job we had some really odd licences like Batman, but only the Neil Adams 70s Batman, not the movie or cartoon or current comics...

I've heard one reason there is no Star Trek RPG is it would infringe on the licences of the various publishers who do novels and soursebooks based on the show.


 
   
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Also GW still holds a ST licence....

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I wonder how that happened...I wonder even more why they dont use it...

   
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I know they had a Star Trek Licence back when they had all the others (Dr Who, Judge Dredd, etc)... they produced a range of 25mm figures, and a bunch of ships.

I'd be rather doubtful that the licence was still current. Certainly not for the ships, as other companies have been producing them in the years since.

 
   
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Posted By insaniak on 02/08/2007 4:53 PM
I know they had a Star Trek Licence back when they had all the others (Dr Who, Judge Dredd, etc)... they produced a range of 25mm figures, and a bunch of ships.

I'd be rather doubtful that the licence was still current. Certainly not for the ships, as other companies have been producing them in the years since.



Me too, as a publically traded company their shareholders would not allow them to let it sit fallow.

But I don't think anyone is making real ST ship miniatures.  Starfleet Battles IIRC is on trickly legal ground and is not licenced by paramont.  I think they were licenced once upon a time but have managed to make enough of a parallel universe to survive on their own.  Or something.  Anyone know the story there?  I know I don't see the words Star Trek or Paramont on their products.

 

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Here we are straight from the Armadillo's mouth:

STAR FLEET BATTLES LOOKS A LOT LIKE STAR TREK. IS IT?

    Star Fleet Battles and the other games of the Star Fleet Universe are based on (but have expanded vastly beyond) the original 1966-69 Star Trek television show and use that material under a special contract with Paramount Pictures Corporation. We are not authorized to use Next Generation, Voyager, or Deep Space Nine, and we cannot use names of characters. You'll find Vulcans here, but not one named "Spock". Star Fleet Battles was created in 1975 and first published in 1979. Before the movies, we had already expanded the universe, adding many new races, ships, classes, and concepts. In that regard, Star Fleet Universe and Star Trek Universe diverged from a common origin.


 
   
 
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