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whidbey

ok i got thise much

no plasma for khorne bike squads

how about squad of chosen asp champs in demonic armour on bikes?

 

   
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By the RAW, a model with Mark of Khorne in daemonic armor (not power armor) can take weapon upgrades other than plasma pistol.

You may not actually want to try to do it in a tournament or other situation where someone else is making the call.

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whidbey

actually my friend pointed out that asp champs are free to choose from the wargear list so it is a non issue.

 

 

 

   
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A unit of Chaos Space Marine Bikes with the Mark of Khorne cannot upgrade their bike's weapons, including the Champion (since he doesn't have a Chaos Space Marine Bike from the Armoury and thus doesn't have the weapons options associated with it).

A unit of Chosen all upgraded to Champions may take Bikes from the Armoury and upgrade their weapons though.
   
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Yea, but you cant buy plasma rifles from the armory, just combi weapons and pistols. And rules guys at tournaments will probabally not allow the combi weapons.

edit - you might get them to let you have the combi weapon with the demon armor by pointing out that termies can take reaper cannons so the precidence is set for guys not in power armor taking anything they can.

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whidbey

chosen on bikes are asp champs.
champs can buy freely from wargear list
chaos bikes in wargear list may upgrade bike mounted weaponry
so it turned out to be a dumb question
   
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It's not a dumb question, skkipper, and I think you are reaching the wrong conclusion.

It's true that champs can choose wargear, but Khorne champs cannot.

"Models in power armor" who have the mark of Khorne "cannot upgrade their ranged weaponry other than to replace a bolt pistol with a plasma pistol."

So if a chosen/champion is wearing power armor, he can't upgrade his ranged weaponry. The armory rules don't override restrictions for the mark of Khorne.

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Posted By Flavius Infernus on 03/20/2007 1:28 PM
So if a chosen/champion is wearing power armor, he can't upgrade his ranged weaponry. The armory rules don't override restrictions for the mark of Khorne.


Are you sure about this?  Two rules:

1. Models in power armour can't upgrade their weaponry.

2. Aspiring Champs and ICs make choose from the armoury as normal.

It is not clear to me that rule #2 conclusively implies "except for the afore-mentioned restriction."

To me, "as normal" suggests no restrictions.

It's not clear, but it certainly seems debatable.


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#2 is a general rule. #1 is a specific rule. Thus, #1 trumps #2.

As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.

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whidbey

yes but in the chaos codex right after it gives the limit about ranged weaponry. it states khorne asp champs are free to chose from the armoury as normal.
so if the are in demonic armourthat would also over ride power armour rule as well.

   
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Right, that's the original answer. By the RAW, a model in daemonic armor is not wearing power armor, so can upgrade ranged weaponry (bike or no bike). But in a situation where a tournament judge or someone else is making a ruling, they may decide to ignore the RAW.

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whidbey

but ignoring the demonic armour side step. the khorne section of the book states that characters and asp champs are free to select from the wargear list as normal, thus ignoring the power armour weapon upgrade section.
   
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Skkipper, I think your stretching here, which is usually a sign of wishful thinking instead of reading what the rules actually say.

There's another hurdle entirely which you need to address, which is that the aspiring champion did not purchase his bike from the armory, so he cannot upgrade the bike's guns unless he does. Tactically, is it worth it to spend 30 extra points just to have a single plasma gun in your bike squad?

And, since it definately is not better (you can almost buy another biker for that price) then why would it matter whether or not it is allowed?

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whidbey

Posted By Doctor Thunder on 03/21/2007 8:44 AM
Skkipper, I think your stretching here, which is usually a sign of wishful thinking instead of reading what the rules actually say.

There's another hurdle entirely which you need to address, which is that the aspiring champion did not purchase his bike from the armory, so he cannot upgrade the bike's guns unless he does. Tactically, is it worth it to spend 30 extra points just to have a single plasma gun in your bike squad?

And, since it definately is not better (you can almost buy another biker for that price) then why would it matter whether or not it is allowed?


NO this is not for bike squads but a squad of chosen asp champs all on bikes so yes they did come from the armoury
   
 
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