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Farseer with Guide or Fortune
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10 Dire Avengers  + Exarch + 2 shuriken catapults
10 Guardians + Scatter Laser
10 Guardians + Scatter Laser
10 Guardians + Starcannon
5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders

Tooled out Harlie Squad (for 288 pts!)
-kisses and death jesters and troupeleaders and shadow seers
5 Scorpions + Exarch w/  Shadowstrike and biting Blade

Warp Spiders + Exarch w/ Powerblades/Surprise Assault/Withdraw

Full Warwalker Squadron Scatter lasered up the butt

btw : Armybuilder is giving me an odd error with the Avatar.  It
says :

"Squad 'HQ: Avatar': Warlock needs Enhance if squad takes Enhanced."

Does anyone know what that is?

Currently this army is around 1700 points.

I figure Pathfinders and Dire Avengers are pretty standard to start out
with, so that will be this month's project.

The only advice I'm really avoiding right now is the stuff I know I
won't paint: Falcons, Wave Serpents, Jetbikes, Vypers.

btw: What's the atmosphere on special characters in your armies these
days? People look down their noses on that sort of thing, or what?

I think the error message might be related to 3rd ed "Spear of Khaine" where the avatar could take a retinue. Sounds like an army builder "boo-boo"

Anyhow, other than Lysander I dont think anyone has problems with special characters. They are priced more accordingly and they aren't entirely stupid or overpowered as they used to be. (I'm judging off the new space marine codex and the eldar codex, I can't say for much else) Eldrad's divination may give people fits, but in play against good players I've found I don't even really use it.

vehicles are easier to paint than regular mini's, don't be a pansy..... paint them too!

You want Doom. Fortuned harlequins + doomed opponents = mass carnage.

You probably want something that can zip over and kill the whirlwind/bassie/defiler, otherwise these units will make your army suffer. Warp spiders can take out a bassie (and probably a whirlwind) but a defiler will stomp them. Infiltrating scorps can't do this job anymore with their weakened powerfist and lack of haywire grenades. If you're not going to be painting a falcon (to carry dragons) or bikes, then hawks are pretty much your only option.

mal..this list is pretty awful.

first, your anti tank weapnory is..um..0

You want eldrad over a regular seer, his divination is key to this build, and 3 powers help a lot in keeping you ahead in the damage race.

Stick with pure guardians for your troops, they are your only readily available source of anti tank.

I'm not sure what the scorpions or spiders are trying to accomplish here. (explanation needed)

You want 3 full warwalker squadrons, go with the blackmoor pattern. (2 with scatter laser, 1 with starcannons in each squadron)

The reality is that groundpounder Eldar are a very tight list with little room to add your own distinctiveness.

You need a Avatar to shut down FotD and keep the guardians from turning tale.
You need Eldrad to push your damage threshold to dangerous levels.
You need warwalkers or else you cannot put out enough shots to compete with other firepower armies.
You need guardians as they are the only place you can put up a large number of anti tank weapons.

So really the only room you have to play with is your indirect fire hunters (which are themselves a metagame call) and the second counter charge unit.

Keeping your warwalkers save is pretty important, but usually quite difficult. (there really your only vunerable unit, coinidentally they put out most of your firepower as well) The best tool you have is Eldrad's Divination, which when combined with the scout move lets them redeploy outside of your opponents anti tank range/sight. (it also sets up some brutal refused flanks, something people don't expect against a infantry list)

Woohoo I love awful!

Scorpions I'll drop for a wraithlord.

Got a warwalker today. Looks like a fun kit (not like those stupid
grav things!)

try a unit of v-cannons. they auto glance tanks. and really? no jet bikes either? also imo, you gota give the seer doom and the ability to cast 2 spells each turn. it helps alot. that is, if you dont use eldrad, who is pretty nasty.

Yes, no jetbikes.

The last jetbikes I had I stripped of paint twice because
I just suck at painting them.

Here's the 1500 pts. Version

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Jimbo (Eldrad)

9 Harlies + Shadow Seer + 8 Smoochies + 2 Fusion pistols

Guardian Squad + Scatter Laser
Guardian Squad + Scatter Laser
Guardian Squadd + Star Cannon

Pathfinders
Pathfinders

Blackmoor Warwalkers (2 Scatter Laser Walkers + 1 Starcannon Walker)

Wraithlord with Bright Lance and EML

It has the stuff I like, a few things to buy, and stuff that I already have.

I figure it fits Alaitoc because Alaitoc is the rigorous Farseer tribe, so an
Eldrad type guy might arise out of that. Also, if they're strict adherents to
the path, then that means they're likely willing to sacrifice a young king
to become the Avatar of War.

Walkers and Wraithlords are kinda scout-ish.

Harlequins...I just want to paint the models

Are you figuring for straight 40k or COD? It looks like a great list for COD, and a fair list for vanilla, but your lack of Anti tank/MC is going to hurt...

Posted By malfred on 04/06/2007 11:21 AM
Woohoo I love awful!

Scorpions I'll drop for a wraithlord.

Got a warwalker today. Looks like a fun kit (not like those stupid
grav things!)

Malfred, you remind me of a dwarf. "Flying? No dwarf will ever dare enter the realm of the sky!"

If you need warwalker malfred, I have three metal ones that have interchangables wepons that arent painted yet.

(if you look at doc faust clinic page, youll see square brass tubing used for the intechanablity of the weapons. I follwed that to a t. I have 5 scatterlasers and 3 starcannons, 3 BL, 1 eml, no shuricannons oddly enough. You can have them for nuthin.)

Get thee behind me, Satan!

(right where I want you)

I'm going for the plastic kit. Not sure if I want to make it interchangeable
yet, or not.

I just realized something horrible.

They don't provide enough guns in the box to play two of
one weapon at all, do they...

I think your lacking anti-tank can be made up by dropping the Blackmoor Warwalkers for another Sniper Wraithlord!

I would also just take one squad of pathfinders, (and make them 6 strong) and then get a warlock squad without jetbikes!

I just love warlocks! I've probably been playing too much Dawn of war though.

...if he does that any firepower army will outgun him 2 to 1 minimum.

he does have a big anti tank problem but thats not the way to solve it

The Warwalker and Wraithlord have the same weapons. The other kits have slightly different weapons. BW Bits sells the weapons individually. A buddy of mine had to do the exact same thing to get all Scatterlasers.

155 points for Wraith Lord with bright lance and EML. One makes a good anti tank killer 2 or 3 total covers the board better. The new kit is pretty damn nice.

A second Wraithlord could be a way to expand up points and get
that second scatter laser from the kit. So with three warwalkers and
two wraithlords, I have 1.5 Scatter Laser War Walker covered, and
1 Starcannon War Walker covered. A third Wraithlord would get
me the last scatter laser.

So it looks like next month I'm buying a Wraithlord and will paint the
warwalker at the same time as I paint that.

A squad of three war walkers and one wraithlord will give you 4x scatter lasers and 4x star cannons. Should be enough for your planned 2 SL 1 SC War walkers as long as you give the lord a bright lance.