Leadership v moral

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**blgarin**

Please forgive me if this is too easily answered.

Is a 'last man standing' check modified in any way? Specifically by the 'below half' modifies?

I'm thinking no because LMS is a leadership check and below 1/2 is a moral modifier.

Another one: i'm falling back. I'm assaulted. I fail my leadership and am therefore wiped out. Does the assaulter get a massacre roll?

One more questions, if you say you are going to fire plasma and find out you are out of range, do you roll for hte 'get's hot' anyway?

thanks

garin

**Cheex**

Last Man Standing tests are just Leadership tests, not Morale tests. So no, there would be no modifiers for below half etc. BGB p49.

If you declare an assault against a unit that is falling back, the falling back unit rolls its Regroup test before the assaulters move any models. BGB p48.

The last question isn't answered clearly in the BGB, but it seems strange for you to need to roll a dice for something that "automatically misses." The only justification I can give for this is that the range is checked before rolling any dice to hit, and being out of range means you miss automatically before you have a chance to roll any dice.

**MurekZar**

Posted By blgarin on 06/05/2007 10:48 PM

Please forgive me if this is too easily answered.

Is a 'last man standing' check modified in any way? Specifically by the 'below half' modifies?

I'm thinking no because LMS is a leadership check and below 1/2 is a moral modifier.

Another one: i'm falling back. I'm assaulted. I fail my leadership and am therefore wiped out. Does the assaulter get a massacre roll?

One more questions, if you say you are going to fire plasma and find out you are out of range, do you roll for hte 'get's hot' anyway?

thanks

garin

LMS : you're right, its a Leadership test, not a Morale check. No modifiers.

Massacre consolidation move : no, I don't think so. In the case you mention the enemy unit falling back is destroyed before you make your charge move (p 48 BGB). Therefore the combat does not take place, there is no assault result determination. The problem is, we're in limbo : what happens to your unit that has declared a charge ? I can't find any rule that gives them consolidation; the only rule I see is the "Didn't make it ?" on p38...

Gets hot when out of range ? Easy : no ! P 18 BGB : the range check takes place before rolling to hit, and Gets Hot depends on the result of the hit roll...

**Beast**

Concur with all above...

**ATI**

1: No modifiers its a leadership roll

2: It all depends on whether the assaulting group actually assaulted, if the unit being assaulted disappears before any models engage each other, I don't see how a massacre result can happen..... But I've never had this come up I'll have to consult the book.

3: Actually I thought if you were out of range when you fire a weapon the actually targeting of that enemy was considered illegal. Thus the shot never occurs, rather than an automatic miss. Some unscrupulous people could argue that misses on a plasma weapon shot result in over heat (If you double tap, a miss would be a one or a two result on the dice which would be a gets hot roll). So instead of claiming that the shots just missed seems a little incorrect. In Sum, if you are firing a weapon at your opponent and you don't have range, the targeting and firing are both considered illegal and thus never occur. (essentially the same result as the above)

**Cheex**

3: Actually I thought if you were out of range when you fire a weapon the actually targeting of that enemy was considered illegal. Thus the shot never occurs, rather than an automatic miss. Some unscrupulous people could argue that misses on a plasma weapon shot result in over heat (If you double tap, a miss would be a one or a two result on the dice which would be a gets hot roll). So instead of claiming that the shots just missed seems a little incorrect. In Sum, if you are firing a weapon at your opponent and you don't have range, the targeting and firing are both considered illegal and thus never occur. (essentially the same result as the above)

Unfortunately, that's not what the rules actually say. BGB p22, "If your target is beyond this maximum range then your shot misses automatically."

As already mentioned though, Gets Hot can only come into play if dice are actually rolled. Since the shot automatically misses before you can roll any dice, you can't possibly roll a 1 (or 2 as the case may be).

So yes, same result

**don_mondo**

From the old online FAQs that used to be on GWs forum:

4. If you are at 25" and tried to shoot a plasmagun, do you have to roll to see if you overheat?

A: No - it's a miss. No need to roll more dice. (updated)

Still available here:

http://www.ageofstrife.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=244

**coredump**

I think the rolls for the plasma guns should still happen. You do shoot, you just automatically miss.

Flip side. stealers against a wraithlord that failed a wraithsight roll. They automatically hit. Does that mean they can't roll for rending?

**Lordhat**

That's exactly what it means. :-)