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Hey, here is an attempt at a 1000 pts eldar...

 

  <table style="WIDTH: 205pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="272" border="0" x:str=""> <colgroup><col style="WIDTH: 86pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 4169" width="114"></col><col style="WIDTH: 63pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3072" width="84"></col><col style="WIDTH: 56pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2706" width="74"></col></colgroup> <tbody> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; WIDTH: 86pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width="114" height="17">Farseer</td> <td class="xl25" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 63pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" width="84" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" width="74" x:num="">55</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl26" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl37" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Doom</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl26" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl37" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Fortune</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl31" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl37" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Singing Spear</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl31" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl37" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Runes Of Warding</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td class="xl27" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"> </td> <td class="xl35" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Spirit Stones</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"></td> <td class="xl30" style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> <td class="xl30" style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17">Harlequin Troupe</td> <td class="xl25" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" x:num="">6</td> <td class="xl25" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" x:num="">18</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl26" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl37" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Shadowseer</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td class="xl27" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"> </td> <td class="xl35" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">6 Harlequin Kisses</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td class="xl28" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18">Rangers</td> <td class="xl29" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" x:num="">5</td> <td class="xl29" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" x:num="">19</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td class="xl28" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18">Pathfinders</td> <td class="xl29" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" x:num="">10</td> <td class="xl29" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" x:num="">24</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17">Falcon</td> <td class="xl32" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl32" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="">115</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl26" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl37" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Star Cannon</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl31" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl37" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Vectored Engines</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td class="xl27" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"> </td> <td class="xl35" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">Holo Fields</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17">Wraithlord</td> <td class="xl25" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right" x:num="">90</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl26" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl34" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">EML</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height="17"> <td class="xl31" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"> </td> <td class="xl37" style="BORDER-RIGHT: black 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">BL</td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height="18"> <td class="xl27" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="18"> </td> <td class="xl33" style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" colspan="2">2 Flamers</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

 

its 5 points shy...

 

Has 1 spear, 6 hariels + kisses, 10 pathfinder rifles, 5 ranger rifles, Pulse laser, 2 BLs, Starcannon and an EML...  24 models...

yet i feel im lacking some more serious Armour... any ideas??? (only thing i wanna keep is the Harlies, farseer and the falcon, though feel free to change their weaps!)

thinking about it, i can see hoards bringing a LOT of pain unto me... BUT, with the snipers hopefully keeping the enemy pinned, i should be ok? maybe i should split the pathfinder squad into 2 squads of 5...

You should definitely split the Pathfinder squad, or it will be too easy for your opponent to totally screw over your firebase. Granted, it will suck not being able to Fortune all your Pathfinders at once, but it would suck more to lose 240 points (in a 1000 pt game!) to a single squad of enemy assault troops on a transport, or a lucky drop-podding Dread with heavy flamer, or even a Jetbike squad with a Destructlock.

The Rangers seem unnecessary when you already have Pathfinders.

The Falcon needs Spirit Stones. A stunned Falcon is a Falcon that won't be moving next turn, which is a Falcon that can be penetrated, which is a dead Falcon. Also, it doesn't need that starcannon, which it will rarely get to shoot anyway. Give it a scatter laser instead.

That leaves you with 105 points. Drop the EML from the Wraithlord and you'll have just enough for a second BL Wraithlord, the advantages of which should be obvious. War Walkers are also a possibility, but those will really need Guide to work well, and you are already getting good use out of Fortune and Doom.

I actually wanted to suggest just taking 5 Pathfinders, which would free up even more points, but that isn't strictly necessary and would change the feel of the army a lot.

I know, i made a boo boo in my list, it has been changed, the Falcon now has a EML + Stones, also, i considered dropping the 5 rangers, but it adds a nice bit of pinning, as well as being YET ANOTHER target that really needs to be flamed/assaulted, if kept close to the 2 squads of 5 pathfinders and Lord, its a begger to dislodge. On the subj of a second BL for the Lord, that just makes it TL, and i dont think its worth the 40pts.

The Warwalkers are something i REALLY considered, at 60pts for 2 scatterlasers, brings a LARGE amount of firepower to the game... or 70pts for 2 EMLs per walker. But at armour 10, they make a tasty target for anything that can shoot, as my troops are all getting decent coversaves, and the rest is AV 12, or T8...

I went against the Scatter Laser, as i am already paying for a S8, AP2 weapon, may as well put a weapon on there that can complement that.

Watcha think?

OR (sz for the many posts)... take the extra points for 6 Dragons... they can go on the Falcon if against a vehicle heavy army, or sit at home and nuke anything that gets close... Harlies are easily able to run whn they have the shadowseer and fortune... hmmm... perhaps?

It's not a second BL on the Wraithlord, it's a second BL Wraithlord. Count the points saved by the changes I suggested, and you'll find they add up to just enough. All you sacrifice to get it is one EML, one BS3 star cannon (swapped for a scatter) and 5 Rangers. Particularly at the 1000 point value, I think the swap is well worth it.

Also, yes, you're already paying for a S8 AP2 Heavy 2 weapon, but please realise that it will hardly ever get to shoot! By adding a starcannon or an EML, you're not maximising efficiency, you're spending additional points that will produce 0 returns.

Okay, maybe that's overstating it a bit. I put a scatter and extra shuricannon on my own Falcons, so I don't really believe the things will literally never get to shoot, but the real issue is what you're giving up for the additional firepower. For your particular list, I think the points could be better used elsewhere, that's all.

yeah... and i get you now... the second Lord...lol...

UNFORTUNATLY, when i make your changes it leaves 125 points, not 130 (a BL Lord) Any ideas as to where the extra can be scavanged from?

*here's the list:

Farseer 1 55 55
Doom 25
Fortune 30
Singing Spear 3
Runes Of Warding 15
Spirit Stones 20

Harlequin Troupe 6 18 108
Shadowseer 30
6 Harlequin Kisses 24

Pathfinders 5 24 120

Pathfinders 5 24 120

Falcon 1 115 115
Scatter Laser 15
Vectored Engines 20
Spirit Stones 10
Holo Fields 35

Wraithlord 1 90 90
BL 40
2 Flamers 0

Wraithlord 1 90 90
BL 40
2 Flamers 0

Grand Total 1005
-5

Well crap, how did that happen? My bad. Well, the easiest thing would be to just give the second WL an EML instead of BL. Then you'd have 10 pts left over, and could indulge yourself in the starcannon you wanted on the Falcon.

OR, i lose the Scatter Laser for a Shuri cannon and have 5 points free...