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So with the new chaos dex there's a question you now have to ask yourself.  Is plain ld10 enough?  Previously it wasn't much of a question for chaos usually, as one either had ld10 with a reroll or fearlessness.  But now if you take terminators, chosen or raptors and give them these new icons, they won't have either fearless or a reroll.  For such expensive units that seems kinda iffy and makes these marks questionable when the reroll is so cheap (comparitively).

What's everyones thoughts?

Don't lose combat

It's plenty. Don't lose combat when your outnumbered. Mortars and sniper rifles are still relatively uncommon.

The other thing you can do as far as combat is concerned, it's a pretty standard tactic but try and have something Fearless in combat at the same time, or two ld10/etc. So if your Slaneshi Terminators decide to run, at least they won't get cut down.

LD 10 is plenty if you play correctly - ask Necron players.

My Necrons tend to flee screaming in terror pretty often, but then I probably don't play correctly.

One of the icons gives rerolls on morale; Chaos Glory or some-such. So, keep the Icon bearer alive, and it's all good.

Anyone remember when Ld. was a relevant statistic? Good times.

Or lose 25% casualties. Or face psychic choir. But that is a good point. Raptors and terminators better be winning the combats they are going into, cause they don't have the cruch of ATSKNF, etc.


Yeah, I've run down necrons enough that it prompted my question. LD10 si great until its brougt down -3 or more. Although necrons aren't great in cc, while the units in questions generally will be.


Well, one reason why this is a good move on gw's part. They aren't handing out rerolls and fearless to the entire chaos dex. Still makes one wonder whether these 20-50 point icons are worth it in the long run.

Yes but then you aren't using the new icons that are suppose to be the coolest thing in the new dex.

What new icons? The only other ones are the ones that mark a squad with a god's mark.

Ld 10 is enough for necrons but not for chaos. Chaos dies way too easily. Beserkers > marines with IoK. Plague Marines > marines with IoN. The other's aren't so easily comparable.

And I wouldn't bother marking terminators with anything other than IoCG.

Yes and they are new. The squad with these icons does not become a bezerker, plauge marine, etc. They do not have fearless as before. Nor is their restrictions on who can take it (ie khonre havocs and raptors, etc.)

The flexibility of these marks is being touted as the new cool thing in the dex by GW and warseer. I'm questioning whetherthe lack of a ld modifier makes them usefull (and in some ways a nerf for those squads that use to become cult marines) with such expensive units.

Oh, when you said "cool", I was confused... LOL

The cult marines are WAY better than any normal marked squad, unless you're really jonesing to have a Khorne-marked squad with a plasma gun, or the like... It's like the flexibility to take a free Corvette or a free Gremlin: sure, it's a choice, but one option is just dumb.

The chance of failing a leadership 10 roll is only 8%. That's really good, so its not likely that snipers or taking 25% casualties is going to affect you much. Now if you start getting modifiers the chances go up a fair amount but its still quite likely you'll be fine. I'm just glad to see that leadership is going to start meaning something (maybe) now that not every model in the army is fearless or has a reroll for leadership.