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why take combi plasma over combi meltas on termis

they both get 1 shot

12" melta strength 8 ap1 + extra dice on  pen if with in 6"

24" plasma strength 7 ap2 gets hot

you can deepstike all the time so range shouldn't be an issue.

the melta can insta kill toughness 4. it doesn't risk killing you. tanks run scared.

Other the range melta wins. but with the reaper staying just a linked autocannon and less avaible. the long range shooty termis don't seem likely

 

2 shots, 24" range on singleshot if you scatter.

If I were running a 3-termie squad army I'd want to mix in some meltas in at least one squad, but for the 5pts plasma is the winner.

the 3 man termi squad with 3 melta guns just seems like the perfect tank hunter unit. drop them in and blast away.

at 105 points they are dirt cheap then you have a squad of three power weapon toting  guys hanging out in the back feild give them the mark of slannesh and they now swing the power weapons before our at least at the same time as most counter charges.

I just think if you end up in the 12-24 range with your terminators you have done some wrong.

Depends what you need them for. If the termes are assigned to anti-tank work, then yes, meltas. If you plan on them for anti-TMC or MEQ work, though, twice the rate of fire from plasmas can be decisive.

Also, they have infinity more shots than Meltaguns from 12.1" - so if you scatter, they're niiiice.

Problem is, Chaos Termies don't count as stationary for firing rapid fire weapons, so they have to sit still for the >12" shot.

Did this rule change? Maybe I'm thinking of an older rule regarding moving and firing with Terminators.

As far as I know, Chaos termies have never been able to count RF weapons as stationary.

I know for a fact that the new Chaos Codex doesn't make any allowance for it.

Interesting (in regards to rapid fire)

makes the plasma less viable (because you can still only shoot it once per game, i think)

I would think most people would allow you to consider termies to be stable to fire Rf weapons (I know I would), it just isn't RAW.

Posted By skyth on 08/22/2007 6:12 PM
Problem is, Chaos Termies don't count as stationary for firing rapid fire weapons, so they have to sit still for the >12" shot.

Doesn't matter if they're deepstriking.

I know the old termies were considered to be stable fireing platforms, but I don't know about the new 'dex.

Posted By skyth on 08/22/2007 6:12 PM
Problem is, Chaos Termies don't count as stationary for firing rapid fire weapons, so they have to sit still for the >12" shot.

Doesn't matter if they're deepstriking.

I know the old termies were considered to be stable fireing platforms, but I don't know about the new 'dex.

3.5 codex, they weren't stable firing platforms for RF weapons.

"models in terminator armour are capable of moving and firing heavy weapons and may assault after firing rapid fire or heavy weapons"

that is the wording from the new codex. so unless there is some thing in the big rulebook. you don't count as stationary

Man, if that doesn't get FAQ'd then Termies with combi-bolters will be nerfed.

However, I would predict that everyone and his brother will play it as if they were stationary anyway.

Rules are rules and Raw is Raw. If I was playing with people that have no interest in competeive play, I'd let them count as Stationary, but if there is a chance someone I know would play chaos termies in a Tournament or league, I'd make sure they where not stationary on the move. I worst thing you can do is teach someone to play there army wrong.

I'm sorry i can't accept that terminators don't count as stationary for firing rapid fire weapons.

They have always been played as counting as stationary for rapid fire weapons by everyone i have ever encountered.

Terminators always count as stationary when firing ANY weapon.

It doesn't make sense that they could fire a reaper autocannon but not a combi-bolter, give me a break.

I understand the nature of your angst, but you have to remember that not only Dakka, but GW itself has declared that RAW supercedes all else. While it does not make sense, the rules are clear. House rules are A-OK, but until GW FAQ's that, you might be stuck playing in your house.

It's just the nature of a game sold on the mass market; the Rules As Written have to be the authority by default. How else are two strangers supposed to be able to play together? If a new player shows up at your store while you have a bunch of friends around you may be able to force him to play the same way you do by peer pressure, but that's sure not fun. If you meet at a tournament and someone says, "Hey, this rule doesn't say Terminators always shoot as if stationary; it just says they can move and fire heavies", you don't have a leg to stand on when your only counter argument is that you nor everyone you know plays it differently than what it says in print.

Fair enough, I just read the posts by people and it was something i had never heard before.

I dont play outside my immediate group of friends very often and i hardly ever take terminators so it has simply never come up before.

And in the end it will be up to the organizers how to play it whatever is written.