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Just had a thought about this as a possible "easy fix" to the Skimmer Moving Fast rules:

Weapons with AP1 and Close Combat attacks negate the SMF special rule.

It kind of makes sense and it makes certain guns very much worth having as a way to deal with Skimmers. It also rewards CC units that actually get to hurt the skimmer.

Granted this is probably not going to happen since the rumor is that in 5th ed SMF is going to be the same as "Hull Down" now, so you're looking at a 50/50 for any penetrating hit to actually penetrate and do damage; but hey I thought it'd be a cool way of making players go through unique steps to kill Skimmers.

I like it, IMHO much better then SMF becoming hull down that's for sure.

Sounds like land speeders going the way of the dodo if the skimmer rules get changed to being the same as hull down. Or maybe not. I guess with assault cannons they are still broken enough to be a throw away unit.

In either case, makeing it so that they don't apply in hand to hand as well as making it so that ap 1 ignores the skimmer rule isn't a bad idea. The dark eldar are left out in the cold on this one though. The only thing they got that could make use of this is the talos, and that thing isn't exactly likely to make it into hand to hand with a skimmer.

Phoenix wrote:The dark eldar are left out in the cold on this one though. The only thing they got that could make use of this is the talos, and that thing isn't exactly likely to make it into hand to hand with a skimmer.

Yeah but allowing penetrating hits in CC would make the Wyches with Haywire + Goblet combo work better. Not as good of a lift vs. skimmers as others would be getting, but it would help.

I am all for either what Voodoo has suggested or the rumored change. Either one would be fair and effective fix to the SMF rule.

Though I prefer to see AP1 weapons always penetrating.

Meh.

All that needs is for the Penetrating table to have only 2 Vehicle Destroyed results instead of 3. Once that happens, parity will be restored.

I like the Hull Down idea. It's congruent with the invulnerable save of turbo-boosting bikes.

I tell you what. When my army stops being roughly the same size as a SM army, with the toughness of an IG army, then I'll listen to people whine about how broken Falcons/skimmers are. Until then, shut yer yap.

Are you joking, djones520? Their being "roughly the same size as a SM army, with the toughness of an IG army" has never been a problem for me. Maybe it's just your Eldar that are gimped.

tegeus-Cromis wrote:Are you joking, djones520? Their being "roughly the same size as a SM army, with the toughness of an IG army" has never been a problem for me. Maybe it's just your Eldar that are gimped.

You don't use falcons then?

Of course I do. I use two. Your point?