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The FOC will be limited: 1HQ, 0-2Elites, 2-6Troops, 0-2Fast, 0-2Heavy. No doubles allowed in Elites, Fast and Heavy. 1300pts.

Missions will be all gamma level and objective based:
- Tablequaters
- Markers
- Hold center

Opponents will be mostly MEqs with the occasional Nidzilla and Skimmer-Eldar or Tau.


I intend to play Eldar. 3 Falcons etc is impossible with the mentioned FOC restrictions. On the other hand opponents will have to live with the restrictions too, which creates a new and challenging metagame. Hopefully some of you care to take the time and find some fun in speculating about a world without the typical powerlists.

Heres a first draft:

1HQ:

Farseer, Jetbike, Spear, Fortune, 3 Dice for psychic tests - 128 pts

4 Warlocks, bikes, 4 Spears, 4 Destructor 232 - pts

0-2 Elites:

4 Harlequins+kiss, Shadowseer+kiss, Master+Powerweapon - 178 pts (in Falcon)

2-6 Troops:

5 Pathfinders - 120 pts

10 Avengers including, Exarch, Bladestorm, twin Shuricans + Serpent, Stones, Brightlance - 297 pts

0-2 Heavy:

Falcon, Stones, Holofield, Shurcannon, Scatterlaser - 185 pts

Prism, Stones, Holofield - 160 pts

1300pts


Leave me a note.

Nice! Really nice, with the given restrictions I think it looks really powerful, so nice army sir.
(the only thing i myself would change was changing the 5 pathfinders for guardian jetbikes)

LordofMuck wrote:Nice! Really nice, with the given restrictions I think it looks really powerful, so nice army sir.
(the only thing i myself would change was changing the 5 pathfinders for guardian jetbikes)

I agree. This will save them from being left behind. The rest of your army is maneuverable so you should replace this group with something more maneuverable. A group of 3 Guardian Jetbikes with a single cannon wont run you many points at all and you can use the extra points for either more jetbikes, harlies, or adding upgrades such as a cannon to your prism.

I agree that its a viable list subject to the contraints.
However, four destructors are overkill, two suffice leaving pts for enhance and embolden.
Keep the Pathfinders because they can keep enemy infiltrators away from your tanks.
Good luck!

Second the motion to keep the Pathfinders. One less-mobile unit can work in a mounted army, as their infiltration and camo will make them tougher to uproot. They also make fine bait and keep your home quarter contested.

Thanks for the input.

I was under the assumption that Destructor requires a psychic test at LD8 until I just reread the rules. Can someone confirm this?

Next thing is Embolden. I didnt include it, because I found LD10 should suffice for morale checks, but lately someone mentioned psychic tests could be rerolled too. Confirm please, because it would allow to drop Runes of Witnessing.

Raider wrote:I was under the assumption that Destructor requires a psychic test at LD8 until I just reread the rules. Can someone confirm this?

Next thing is Embolden. I didnt include it, because I found LD10 should suffice for morale checks, but lately someone mentioned psychic tests could be rerolled too. Confirm please, because it would allow to drop Runes of Witnessing.

I can confirm the first rule, see p. 28, psychic powers of warlocks.
Well, the 2nd question is an issue. Embolden allows to re-roll morale checks. But I think this will not include psychic test.

A couple of points

The farseer + warlocks squad is tough, but it’s a huge target that just screams “Shoot me…a lot”. If you have smart opponents (you may or may not) they will zoom up on you and rapid fire your very very expensive squad and you can’t take fire like that.

Embolden allows you to reroll moral tests. Psy tests, while leadership based, are psy tests, not moral tests so embolden will not help you there.

There is nothing wrong with fielding the pathfinders as you have them. They have long range fire power so they shouldn’t have any difficulty finding targets to shoot at.

Thats great. I can then drop one Destructor and still get 3 flamer templates, while making room for enhance.

I considered "Defend" for the Avengers. This way I can disembark, bladestorm and then charge and tarpit a unit during the bladestorm-cooldown. Combined with the Council there will be two tarpits, to allow the Harlequins to Hit and Run.

I could drop the Harlequin Master and the twin Avenger Catapilts to free the points:

1HQ:

Farseer, Jetbike, Spear, Fortune, 3 Dice for psychic tests - 128 pts

4 Warlocks, bikes, 4 Spears, 3 Destructor, 1 Enhance 237 - pts

0-2 Elites:

5 Harlequins+kiss, Shadowseer+kiss, - 162 pts (in Falcon)



2-6 Troops:

5 Pathfinders - 120 pts

10 Avengers including, Exarch, Bladestorm, Defend + Serpent, Stones, Brightlance - 307 pts

0-2 Heavy:

Falcon, Stones, Holofield, Shurcannon, Scatterlaser - 185 pts

Prism, Stones, Holofield - 160 pts

1299pts


Im fine with keeping the Pathfinder too. They will likely do a good amount of shooting and survive unless the opponent dedicates at least one mobile unit to them, which will likely cost at least 120 points itself, so overall I cant lose too much. Bikes on the other hand wouldnt do much against most opponents, besides conserving VPs, which isnt a bad thing, but puts more pressure on the rest of the list.

I actually dont fear shooting towards the council too much. First turn the opponent has few weapons with enough range to reach it, and Lascannons etc will also be pressed to target the Skimmers instead. Should the opponent ignore the landed Skimmers first turn Im happy with 4+ invul saves. Next turn the Council has rerollable 3+ invul. saves. Thats pretty much undestructable, given its good mobility to limit incoming fire. On turn three I can allways use terrain or close combat to hide.

Your math seems off.
4 Harlies with kisses (88),
1 Shadowseer with kiss (52),
1 Mastermime with power weapon (38).
Total: 178 pts

You are correct I copy pasted it and forgot to drop the master. (edited now)

I hope I dont bore you, but I might have found a little tweak. The Birghtlance on the Serpent might be substituted with a Missile Launcher to free 15 points, which gains range and the option for another template. Given the FOC restrictions multiple Landraiders will be pretty rare^^.

It also makes the nonscoring Serpent cheaper and less of an attractive target, which is good, I guess.

With 15 points I could make the Falcons Scatterlaser a Starcannon to get more AP2, and get back twin Shuricats on the Avenger-Exarch.

1HQ:

Farseer, Jetbike, Spear, Fortune, 3 Dice for psychic tests - 128 pts

4 Warlocks, bikes, 4 Spears, 3 Destructor, 1 Enhance 237 - pts

0-2 Elites:

5 Harlequins+kiss, Shadowseer+kiss - 162 pts (in Falcon)



2-6 Troops:

5 Pathfinders - 120 pts

10 Avengers including, Exarch, Twin Shuricats, Bladestorm, Defend + Serpent, Stones, EML - 297 pts

0-2 Heavy:

Falcon, Stones, Holofield, Shurcannon, Starcannon - 195 pts

Prism, Stones, Holofield - 160 pts

1299pts


Would you drop Bladestorm or Defend (15pts each) to get upgrade a Harlequin to Master with powerweapon (for 16pts), given the high prevalence of MEqs and the rathr random nature of rending kisses?

Is the Starcannon on the Falcon a good choice, or should I get Shuricannon-upgrades for either Serpent or Prism?

Defend is rather useless if the DAs are being shot after bladestorming.
The EML is good vs tanks and infantry, and it has longer range. I'd replace the BL any day.

I'd leave the scatterlaser on the Falcon, cheaper and almost as effective as the starcannon vs. MEQs.

The Troupe Master is a poor choice IMO if what you want is added lethality. He's less than twice as killy as a normal harlie against MEqs and hurts their ability to take out MCs and vehicles. Put the points elsewhere--VE, for instance.

And you really don't need RoWit on the Farseer. Psychic tests on Ld 10 are already a safe bet, and the head-explodey downside of having just that little bit more security really bites when it happens.

If you're going to use Avengers as a tarpit, you really, really need SS/PW rather than twin shuricats. Apart from the eternal debate about which option is better overall, for CC tarpitting you need that invulnerable save.

VEs for the Falcon are really useful. They reduce the chances of getting entangled by half. That's well worth the 20 points, especially since that's a lot of eggs in one basket there.

And man, does it demoralize opponents when they think they've finally crashed your skimmer, only to see it settle daintily to the ground still filled with tons of close-combat deadliness.

Thanks for all your kind advice. Likely the things discussed here will help me with future lists as well.

About VEs: I did the math once and the outcome was that, while VEs increase the Falcons durability quite a bit, VEs are still expendable, because the Falcon is just so tough without them, that VEs will rarely be used. The second reason to skip VEs is that they dont help much with scoring, since an immobilized Falcon is basicly dead for scoring purposes.

Overall the need for VEs depends on how much incoming fire you expect (the lower the pointlimit, the less) and how much you rely on the transported unit (Harlequines in this case who are indeed rather important to the list).

Maybe you guys like the following update. I tryed to increase close combat potential of the Council, by dropping not so vital toys elsewhere. It ups the Council from 4 to 6 (!) ^^ and gives them Witchblades instead of Spears to save some points. The increased number of attacks should almost make up for the reduced anti Skimmer potential, and finally allows to relyably kill TMCs and Demon Princes in one go.

I also expect to draw away some attention from the Skimmers like this. (People will be scared propably )

1HQ:

Farseer, Jetbike, Spear, Fortune - 118 pts

6 Warlocks, bikes, 3 Destructor, 1 Enhance 315 - pts

0-2 Elites:

5 Harlequins+kiss, Shadowseer+kiss, - 162 pts (in Falcon)

2-6 Troops:

5 Pathfinders - 120 pts

10 Avengers (no more Exarch) + Serpent, Stones, EML - 250 pts

0-2 Heavy:

Falcon, Stones, Holofield, 2x Shurcannon - 175 pts

Prism, Stones, Holofield - 160 pts

1300pts

The list looks really good, for 1300 pts. Leave it as it is.
Good luck!

Tanks, for your help. Converting has allready begun.