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I've started playing Battlefield Evolution as a quick and easy diversion to give myself some down time from warhammer so I don't get too burnt out on it. One thing that's fairly frustrating about the game is that a large number of units that Mongoose Publishing has released statistics and rules for they haven't released models for. This means if I want to put a C-130 gunship on the table I have to come up with my own model for it. Not too terrible of a task to complete, but most models in hobby stores have their size described in a scale ratio and Battlefield is a 25mm game. Soooo, what scale ratio represents 25mm or at best doesn't look horribly over or under sized in comparison to a 25mm model?

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure others will, but as I understand it 25mm corresponds most closely to 1:35. However, in a game like 40K with cartoonishly small vehicles, 1:48 works better.

A 1:35 AC-130 is going to be HUGE. Most military aircraft kits come 1:48 for fighters (an F-15 at this scale is around a foot long) and 1:72 for transports/bombers.

Edit: If you could find a C-130 at 1:35 or 1:32 scale, it would be about 3 feet long, have a nearly 4 foot wingspan, and cost... I don't even want to guess.

It would guess it cost about the same as a Thunderhawk.

No I bought a C130 from TESTORS( yes testor back in the day) the wing span of the plane was three feetlong and the body was about two and half feet.
it was 1/48 scale . I beleive it cost me close too 85 dollars back in the late 80s . I saw the same plane now by another company for about 120 dollars( its a company i rather not use( due too thin plastic and warps in the molds)
but there out there if you want too shell out over a hundred dollars, just go too model web sites.

DFo wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure others will, but as I understand it 25mm corresponds most closely to 1:35.

Yup, you're wrong

1:35 is closer to 45mm.


'Heroic 28mm'... which is the scale for 40K, works best with 1:48 scale vehicles.

Battlefield Evo, from memory, had the models around 30mm and the vehicles were around 1:53 or 1:55... but many people complained that they looked too small. So 1:48 is possibly your best bet there as well.

Gah.

insaniak wrote:Yup, you're wrong

I knew it! But this is good news for the OP, since a 1:48 AC-130 seems within the realm of reason. Indeed, it looks like Italeri makes such a kit. I've only ever built one Italeri kit, and it had missing parts (OK, so half-built). Fit and finish was much better than Revell-Monogram though.

Well, given the terrifying price tag that a C-130 model packs, I may instead add a heli or two and a fighter for the same price. I figure one transport chopper like a Blackhawk (I have to check to see if BE has rules for it, first), a gunship of some sort, an F-35 and an A-10 would fit the bill.

The guys in a local club here play BF:Evo and use 1/72 for eggbeaters and aircraft. Mind you, they also use 1/72 scale infantry and vehicles.

1/72 is a common enough scale for many kits (you can get a very good range across manufacturers for helos, aircraft, tanks, infantry and others).

insaniak wrote:


'Heroic 28mm'... which is the scale for 40K, works best with 1:48 scale vehicles.

Depends on the vehicle.

Tonight I have been doing a study, into the Malcador I wanted to build.



Note that it is about 50% longer than a Russ, and about as wide and as tall.

A 1/35 scale Grant by Academy miniatures is 17.4cm long, 7.7cm wide and 8.9 cm tall.



A Russ is 12cm long 8 cm wide (plus sponsons) and 9 cm tall. This makes a 1/35 Grant almost a perfect fit for a Malcador. The hull gun is on the wrong side, but that doesnt matter. the firepoint atop the hull should be easy to build out of plasticard, and the Malcador sponsons can be substituted with Russ sponons, this makes it a tad wider than it ought to be, but makes modelling a lot easier.

Now If I were to try to make a 40K tank out of a modern 1/35 scale tank, or a King Tiger, I will have problems. But WW2 tanks, other than the largest German vehicles, fit very well, and they have a proper Imperialesque number of rivets into the bargain.

chromedog wrote:1/72 is a common enough scale for many kits (you can get a very good range across manufacturers for helos, aircraft, tanks, infantry and others).

Quoted for truth. You'll have no problem finding military aircraft in 1:48, but armour tends to be 1:35. Tamiya does a 1:48 WWII armour/infantry line which I've mentioned elsewhere on these forums because I love them (my FW-190 and Tiger I can sit beside each other on the shelf without looking goofy, plus Tamiya kits are a pleasure to build).

From the Tamiya site: "Large scale war gamers will also find that 1/48th scale works well with 25mm to 27mm figures..."

Neat!

Also, you should post some pics of your combined force as it comes together - I have no idea how BF:Evo plays, but it sounds like you get to put an impressive array of stuff on the table.

Of course, if you want to portray your AC-130 from the perspective of 'in flight' while shooting at your jihadists (or chinese or whoever), you could go as small as 1/144, as life-size planes, you know, look smaller when far away in the sky .

Well, the AC-130 can wait for the time being. There's a local annual convention in my area and I'm running a BF:E event there demoing the game and I think having that beast at the table will draw plenty of attention so I can get plenty of people to stop by and check it out. As it is, I still have roughly 10 months to get one so there's still plenty of time.

DFo- You can find the free rules on Mongoose Publishing's site. The "advanced rulebook" is still slim compared to the massive tomes GW likes to call rulebooks, but the rules are simple and efficient and cover just about anything you could think of.
The greatest thing the game has going for it is the reaction system. Each unit gets one reaction a turn and anytime a unit moves within 10" of them or fires at them they can take a free action which is either move or return fire. If 40k had a similar rule, I think people wouldn't piss and moan near as much about 40k's UGOIGO system.

Well, I went over to the Mongoose site to check out the free rules, but all I found under the Battlefield Evolution: World at War Free Downloads section are Starship Troopers playtest files (no thanks - I'll keep looking).

HOWEVER... that pages says that "Battlefield Evolution: World at War is designed for 20-28mm miniatures, and 1/72 scale models." (my emphasis - I'm assuming this applies to not just World at War)

So you could probably get away with even smaller/cheaper vehicles.

Hmm, I wonder what happened, they did have the basic rules in .PDF form. I do know that Starship Troopers, BFE and BFE: WaW are all based on a similar system with each system sporting nifty differences. From what I've played, it's a very action packed system, especially when everyone gets up close in dense terrain