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Fresh from our Adepticon experiences and determined to improve our games, This Saturday team ATL heads back to Gastonia for another tourney.

Previous Batreps:
Dicehead (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/209651.page)
Murfreesboro (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/208154.page)
Gastonia I (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/208847.page)

My List:

Chaos Daemons!

Herald of Khorne w/Icon, Chariot
Herald of Khorne w/Icon, Chariot
Herald of Khorne w/Icon, Chariot
Herald of Khorne w/Icon, Chariot
2 Bloodcrushers
2 Bloodcrushers
2 Bloodcrushers
6 Bloodletters
6 Bloodletters
6 Bloodletters
6 Bloodletters
6 Bloodletters
6 Bloodletters
5 Flesh Hounds w/rending boss
5 Flesh Hounds w/rending boss
5 Flesh Hounds w/rending boss
1 BloodBeast (Daemon Prince w/Iron Hide, Mark of Khorne)
1 BloodBeast (Daemon Prince w/Iron Hide, Mark of Khorne)
1 BloodBeast (Daemon Prince w/Iron Hide, Mark of Khorne)

(Not sure how to spend my last 114 points, maybe some Death Strikes to mount a token Anti-Tank? Perhaps just more bodies for the units? I dunno. Basic idea is to drop 10 t5 3+ save 4 wound units with power weapons around the enemy, endure their fire and slaughter them in CC. Hope for 3+ on the DMA roll.

My assessment: It's a fluffy Daemon list. Rarr! In the Grim Dark future of the yada yada sometimes your lists get attacked by red Daemons. Should do great vs. enemy infantry lists that are wimpy, rotten vs. all vehicle lists and medium vs. good enemy infantry lists.

Player A (Player-A):

Chaos Space Marines
Sorcerer w/LoS, MoS, Wings
Daemon Prince w/LoS, MoS, Wings
7 Plague Marines w/Rhino, 2 plasma guns, Power Fist
7 Plague Marines w/Rhino, 2 plasma guns, Power Fist
7 Plague Marines w/Rhino, 2 plasma guns, Power Fist
X Chosen w/Mark of Khorne, 4 Power Fists
3 Obliterators
3 Obliterators
2 Obliterators

My assessment: Twin Lash Chaos with a hint of fun in the Chosen squad. I imagine everyone who glanced through that codex has theoryhammered basically this list at some point in time. I'll be interested to see if it fights as strong as it looks like it will fight. No real weaknesses, ought to be able to battle any list.

Player B (sirisaacnewton):

Eldar

Eldrad
Avatar
10 Dire Avengers w/Exarch w/shooty + Bladestorm
10 Dire Avengers w/Exarch w/shooty + Bladestorm
6 Harlequins w/shadowseer
6 Harlequins w/shadowseer
6 Harlequins w/shadowseer
1 Holo-Falcon w/all trimmings
1 Holo-Falcon w/all trimmings
1 Holo-Falcon w/all trimmings

Mech Eldar: As You Do.

Player C:
Termi Libby Fear o' Fury w/ SS
4 termis w/ 2 Assault
pod


Termi Libby Fear o' Fury w/ SS
4 termis w/ 2 Assault
pod


3x dreads with heavy flamers and xtra armor in pods


4x 7 man tac squads w/ PF and dual plasma in pods.

Assessment: Drop pods are fierce, I'm not certain that I agree with the way this list has slid more towards plasma as time goes by, but P3 has been playing it a lot and finding what works for him. Without Meltas he might be in a bit of a state vs. heavy tanks though. I like that he's got fists everywhere, and obviously more 'naughts are great. Always a fierce list.

Player D:

Not Grey Knights! After 4 years the Emperor's Scrubbing Bubbles won't be taking the field.

He's got Eldar! I don't recall precisely what's in there, but there's a Falcon with no holo-field so he's continueing his quest for best painted awards. No, seriously, this army is really well painted. In my opinion it puts his grey knights to shame.

Unto...Unto...Once More Unto the breach you jackass.

I love your battle reports 40kenthusiast. I live and game in the Atlanta area and it lets me know what people will be playing once I get to a level of not sucking enough to go out to tournaments for fun. I'm not familiar with the new demon codex yet, but I still can't wait to see how it performs.

Edit: P.S. I've been playing against Necrons a lot lately with CSM and they are tough to beat. I see why your Necron list is so good after playing against them a little.

Typeline wrote:I love your battle reports 40kenthusiast. I live and game in the Atlanta area and it lets me know what people will be playing once I get to a level of not sucking enough to go out to tournaments for fun. I'm not familiar with the new demon codex yet, but I still can't wait to see how it performs.

Edit: P.S. I've been playing against Necrons a lot lately with CSM and they are tough to beat. I see why your Necron list is so good after playing against them a little.

Hi player C here dude come on out to the pit if you can on wensdays or thursdays now. Bring your army and a good since of humor I started playing in a serious fashion a few months ago the group got my play style upand to a decent level right quick like.

Uber Goober wrote:

Typeline wrote:I love your battle reports 40kenthusiast. I live and game in the Atlanta area and it lets me know what people will be playing once I get to a level of not sucking enough to go out to tournaments for fun. I'm not familiar with the new demon codex yet, but I still can't wait to see how it performs.

Edit: P.S. I've been playing against Necrons a lot lately with CSM and they are tough to beat. I see why your Necron list is so good after playing against them a little.

Hi player C here dude come on out to the pit if you can on wensdays or thursdays now. Bring your army and a good since of humor I started playing in a serious fashion a few months ago the group got my play style upand to a decent level right quick like.

That would be awesome. I currently game with a bunch of guys who all just started at a smaller store called The Tower. I only have 500 pts finished as of right now though and I have to find a job for the summer before I can start going back out and actually playing again. I'll send you PM later, I'd love to meet you guys in person and get better at 40k, because honestly I suck.

Goooooo Khorne demons

- Salvage

UG, too bad you're not coming! You could've borrow my crons or bugs... then we would all be playing armies we have virtually no experience with - Except "B", but he doesn't count, as he loses with everything. :p Seriously, though, unless I get a game in this week, the first round will be my first game ever with the new Chaos codex. Heh, I'm getting the excuses out of the way early..



And Typeline, yeah, feel free to come by on Wed or Thurs (though your best bet is Wed). We don't mind playing against unpainted models, or even some proxies. We'd rather play against unfinished stuff than not play at all. And the best way to improve is to play against different people, especially those who've played a lot before. You pick up a lot of neat tricks you otherwise might not have thought of.

Player-A wrote:UG, too bad you're not coming! You could've borrow my crons or bugs... then we would all be playing armies we have virtually no experience with - Except "B", but he doesn't count, as he loses with everything. :p Seriously, though, unless I get a game in this week, the first round will be my first game ever with the new Chaos codex. Heh, I'm getting the excuses out of the way early..



And Typeline, yeah, feel free to come by on Wed or Thurs (though your best bet is Wed). We don't mind playing against unpainted models, or even some proxies. We'd rather play against unfinished stuff than not play at all. And the best way to improve is to play against different people, especially those who've played a lot before. You pick up a lot of neat tricks you otherwise might not have thought of.

dude i wish i could but alas no i have to work no way around it. How ever if i used your crons i would probably be turned to the darkside and if that happens pretty soon we will no longer be warfan but instead 'Cronfan.

Hey looks like I'm going 40K so you shy an army list there.

PM me your list, I'll put it up.

40kenthusiast wrote:
Player B (sirisaacnewton):

Eldar

6 Harlequins w/shadowseer
6 Harlequins w/shadowseer
6 Harlequins w/shadowseer
1 Holo-Falcon w/all trimmings
1 Holo-Falcon w/all trimmings
1 Holo-Falcon w/all trimmings

Mech Eldar: As You Do.

That is not really Mech Eldar if it does not have any Wave Serpents. That is the Flying Circus with 3x6 Harlequins in 3 Falcons.

I am looking forward to seeing how your demons do.

Results are in!

The Venue:

The tournament took place up in a small room, but we had a really small field, so that wasn't a big issue.

The Field:

The field for this tournament was really tiny, we were about half of the participants. That was a bit disconcerting after driving such a long way, but fortunately most of us were playing lists we don't usually play, so games vs. each other wouldn't be too bad.

The Scoring:

Each mission had a primary, secondary and tertiary objective. In addition, you could earn bonus points for eliminating the enemy general, doing so with your own general in H2H, or killing 2 of their troop choices. In several of the missions it was possible for both players to get the primary.

Round 1: Into (Ha! Take that UG) the breach

Deployment: 12" on either side.
1 HQ and your HS choices start on board, all others emerge from escalation, on a reserve roll of 6 they may emerge from any board edge
Primary: Kill enemy HS choices, if they have no HS units next 3 most expensive units (both may claim)
Secondary: Have most scoring units with a figure within 6" of board center (if tied no one gets)
Tertiary: Table quarters (both may claim)

The enemy:

Orks! (Ack! I've payed for dozens of power weapons vs. a foe with no armor!)

Warboss on bike w/'uge Choppa, cybork body
Bik Mek w/forcefield thingy
Big mob of Nobs on bikes, w/painboy, 'uge choppas
Dreadnaught
Mob of 'Ard boys w/shootas, Big Shootas
Biker boys, w/Nob with bosspole
Mega-Nobz in Battlewagon
3 warbuggies w/rokkits
3 warbuggies w/dakka
3 Killa Kans
3 Killa kans
3 Big Gunz w/Gretchin operators

My assessment: This is one of the better possible Ork matchups for me. In general, Ork shoota boys are pure death to my list, being both shooty and fighty, so a list that has virtually none of them is excellent. Futher, the huge hammer units (mega-nobz and nob bikers w/painboy) which normally prove unbeatable in battle are going to founder on the Blood God's elite. Ork lists tend toward hoarde, which my list could never beat, or mekky, which my list would have a lot of trouble with, but this one is neither. In terms of matchup this is excellent, and then there is the mission.

Escalation missions are a gift to daemons, and this one, where the primary is to kill the only units on the board, is positively Christmas. I think I can win this one.

The game:

He deploys his guns and kans on his edge in cover, split up into 3 groups. I win first turn, and get the half of the army I wish for, I drop my Heralds, Princes and Crushers in front of his forces. He shoots ineffectively, and charges one set of his cans in to fight some crushers, where nobody really gets anything done. On my turn all my units rush his units and lock them down into combats that they will ultimately lose in (though with the cans it might take a while since one of them has no Prince opposing it)

He rolls in some reserves and sets about trying to take the game back, a bit glum that I took my primary before he even got to roll for his reserves. Brave new world, buddy!

He gets the Mega Nobs in a crumps one of my princes, losing some dudes in the process, but elsewhere his counterattack doesn't get too far. With my letters starting to fall in I counter charge each unit as it arrives, Khornate rage carrying the day over Orky intransigence. It's among the more brutal things I've ever seen. On the top of the third I've got ~14 power weapon wielding units all over his half of the board, charghing everything that shows up. It's utterly impossible for him to do anything, as every round his newly arrived guys are outnumbered viciously. He gets a unit of buggies in one my side, but functionally this game was over from the get go. In a rather symbolic moment the previous CC kings of Mega-Nobs and Bikers w/Painboss get obliterated by charging Khornate guys, and their Warboss is hacked down by a Herald. CC Crown Taken!

This game gets me thinking about Daemons and Escalation style missions in general, and the thoughts I have auger well for the new 'Dex, though not for my Khornate version. I'm not sure what form it'll take in the new edition, but any thing where only a portion of the army comes on which doesn't apply to Daemons is something that their deep strike deployment is brutal to. It'll bear watching.

Anyway, I get full marks for the mission, but only one bonus point (for getting his general, his Dreadnaught was one of his troop choices and it only showed up on turn 6) We had a fine game despite the mismatch in our list's ability to handle the mission, and both agreed that we'd like to get a game in on a more conventional mission.

A's Game:

He was up against a fellow CSM list, though not a fellow double-lasher. The battle was initially hard fought, but he had more luck with the sneak attack reserves than his foe, and was able to take full marks.

B's Game:

B was up against triple Land Raider Grey Knights, which could have given him a lot of trouble, but the Avatar got a sneak attack roll and went over there and popped one from short range. A battle to kill the most Heavy Support choices is probably going to be a hard one to beat Trifalcon Eldar on. B's Harlequins were able to slaughter all before them, and he got a full slaughter.

C's Game:

C took on some Blood Angels, rather non-optimized, and the player had trouble determining how to proceed against Drop Pods (I'm sure we've all been there, my first game vs. Pods was a nightmare) C overwhelmed his foe and took full marks.

D's Game:

D's Eldar were a bit more optimized than I initially thought, and they were extremely well matched against the Space Wolves he found himself paired with, as the large walking Harlequin squad could counterattack rather than having to rush a gun line. He obliterated his foe in fine style, though it took him through most of the lunch break.

So, wow, round one of the tourney and our guys have swept the field. This is a terrible thing, as it means we will most likely have to face each other in the succeeding rounds. Still, boo-yah! Ain't we fierce.

Round 2:

The mission:
Deployment:L Quarters
Reserves: Only FA and troops deploy, all others arrive from reserves
Primary: Kill the enemy's most expensive FA unit, both players may claim this one
Secondary: Claim the center, like last time
Tertiary: Kill all enemy troop units

The enemy:

Player C's Drop Pods!

Librarian in Terminator armor w/fury, fear, 5 Terminators w/2 assault cannons
Librarian in Terminator armor w/fury, fear, 5 Terminators w/2 assault cannons
7 man Tac squad w/2 plasma guns and a power fist
7 man Tac squad w/2 plasma guns and a power fist
7 man Tac squad w/2 plasma guns and a power fist
7 man Tac squad w/2 plasma guns and a power fist
Dreadnaught w/assault cannon, CC hand w/heavy flamer
Dreadnaught w/assault cannon, CC hand w/heavy flamer
Dreadnaught w/assault cannon, CC hand w/heavy flamer

My assessment: Ordinarily, this one would be mine to lose. I'll drop ~10 units on turn one all over the objective, or 15 if he lets me go first, we'll all be vaguely clumped up. He'll drop on the periphery somewhere with ~5 units and shoot, probably killing 3 units, then we'll charge and it'll be game, as from then on he'll be down points and viciously outnumbered on every front. His drop pods are essentially meal delivery services for Khorne, finally found a planet with Space Marine takeout.

Unfortunately for me, this mission isn't ordinary. He's going to have to protect a dreadnaught, which he can do by simply dropping it far away, and I have to protect a dog unit, which I can't do unless I can either not get it in until he's down, or drop it in a fortress where he can't land and rapid fire it. He can't put up any kind of a fight for secondary and he can't get tertiary, but he can get primary and block me from getting primary or tertiary, and win, primary to secondary.

Things go about like I'd expect, I get to go first and drop all 15 units in the center (including the dang dogs, though I shoved them into the second wave). I should have left my Daemon Princes (only real anti-tank units) for the second wave. He drop in 2 tac squads and his target dread, and though he puts the target dread far away he puts the troop choices up close...and shoots at stuff besides the hounds! He's shoting Blood Crushers, Heralds, etc. I'm not sure what he thinks he'll get done, but alright. I try and fortress up a bit more, and send Khornate units into the 3 things he's got down, obliterating them.

He drops in another dread and another tac squad, again bizzarely electing to fire on random non-mission critical stuff, though some of his pods kill a dog or two from my target unit, and I'm ready to make my play. I send the dogs into attack one of his tac squads, with another dog squad as insurance, so that when the last units come down they'll be locked up. Unfortunately they obliterate the unit.

He gets down his terminator squads and his last tac squad and finally elects to win the game...but he drops his last tac squad into my clump as well, seemingly out of sheer bloodlust. I obliterate that, thus gaining the tertiary, but he does use his Terminators on the dogs, taking primary. The rest of the game is just me clumping up on the middle objective and ignoring him, taking secondary. The score is set up such that secondary + tertiary beat primary, thus giving me the win. That's useful, as we've bet paying for dinner on this. Actually, I later discover that primary and secondary + tertiary are equal in terms of the points they really use, but I neglect to mention that to C, cuz , hey, free food!

(Off the subject, but we have an amazing battle in this game. He's dropped his terminators w/Librarian, and I charge them with my bloodletters + a Herald. He makes 9 out of 10 invulnerable saves (!!) to survive, and strikes back with his force weapon...but fails the psychic test, so at the end of the first round both Herald and Librarian are still alive. In the second round of the battle...no one did a wound. Khorne Daemons and Terminators in melee...no wounds! In the last round the Herald and the Librarian slay each other, while the Terminators are killed by the bloodletters. Double KO, very Khornate)

A's game:

A's matched up with B, and you can't lash falcons! They apparently have a great game, hunting each other's target units across the board with great dispatch. B obliterates A's force, but A is able to achieve the objectives before he goes down, so they are ultimately seperated by like one or two bonus points.

B's game:
Described above

C's game:
Described above

D's game:

D's Eldar and the Blood Angels C fought in round 1 fight to another of these high-point draws, both achieving most of the objectives.

So a vicious series of battles this round, with AB and D coming out as the ones to beat in the next round, while me and C are settling down to the lower tiers. AB can't be matched up vs. each other, though, having already played, so its likely that one of them will get D and the other me. I'd much prefer to face the double lashes to the falcons, I've played B before and got tabled.

Round 3:

The Mission:
Primary: VP's
Secondary: Table quarters
Tertiary: Have a vehicle in their deployment zone
Special: Lots of BP's for tabling your foe completely

The enemy:
D's trifalcon Eldar (Frack)

Eldrad
Avatar
Dire Avengers (shooty exarch, bladestorm)
Dire Avengers(shooty exarch, bladestorm)
Warp Spiders
Harlequins w/shadowseer, rending
Harlequins w/shadowseer, rending
Harlequins w/shadowseer, rending
Falcon, all trimmings
Falcon, all trimmings
Falcon, all trimmings

My assessment: Hilariously, my problem with this list isn't its shooting. The issue for me is that I don't have a way to get those Harlequins. I can't kill the Falcons either, but I've got lots of wounds and I can sort of shrug them off while I move on his infantry, but the clowns are just too fast and deadly. They'll mangle anything I through at them, and their numbers and shooting can give them the local superiority to avoid being buried. Further, B rolls like a fiend on his 5+'s and rends. The fortuned avatar and Eldrad aren't a joke either. My Khornate list can't outfight the Eldar. Guh. I've schooled this sort of thing so often with the Decepticrons its easy to forget why you have to respect Eldar, but they are the most popular tournament winning hardcore lists for precisely this reason. B's played them a lot too, so I can't rely on him to mess this up. At least its Vp based, so I don't auto-lose vs. the Falcons amazing objective grabbing powers.

The game:

He sets up along his edge of the board in a castle, but he's messed up the Harlequins. Instead of just standing in the midst of his castle they are in their falcons, and 2 of 3 are far away. This means that if I drop in mostly on the other side he'll have to fly the falcons over here, hopefully going > 12" and losing a turn of shooting, and also losing a turn of Quin fighting. On the other hand, the possibility of penning a falcon and thereby pinning the clowns cannot be ignored. I decide to drop my princes (got the right half of the army in again, I'm 3 for 3), over there by the Falcons to throw skulls for the Hail Mary on the falcons, and try and tempt them out of their craft far away from my actual attack on his castle, which is composed of my Heralds and Crushers.

I lose one of the Princes and a Crusher unit from bad scatters, which isn't so bad. We all drop and get ready to take fire, then hopefully charge Dire Avengers and Warp spiders. Initially, his counter-attack goes poorly, though he gets 2 of his harlequin units in and only sends one for the decoy prince, but then Eldrad, the Avatar and Dire Avengers roll decently to make up for the lackluster Harlequin rolling, and he crushes my assault in style, obliterating most everything I've got.

I keep bashing my head into this for another drop, a unit of crushers kills his warpspiders and some dire avengers, and I force him to roll pretty well to save some Harlequins from a DP they fail to rend to death, but functionally this one is over. I devote my remaining drops to hiding all over the map and trying not to be tabled, but he gets the Harlequins going and chases us down, getting the last flesh hound on the bottom of the sixth with a Harlequin charge.

A's game:
A goes up against D (more Eldar, too bad Lashers) and D opens up a can of whupp. Gotta admit, I didn't see that coming. D destroys A and takes all points, though he doesn't table him.

B's game:
Described above.

C's game:
C take on the Chaos Space Marines that A beat in round one, and gets taken down. I didn't get many details on this game.

D's game:
Described above.



Tourney results:

B wins best overall (also ties for best sportsmen...wtf? Dude gloated for, I swear, ten minutes on his first round assault phase.)
D wins best painted (with 7 out of 10 votes, and I voted against him on the "don't vote for those you drive with" principal. The army looks positively amazing.)
A wins best general

Overall, I had a good time at the tournament, and it fulfilled my requirement of playing 2 people I haven't before (C and I had never matched before this time), but I'm hoping that next week's expedition to Dicehead has a larger field. I got a lot of good observation on the Daemons, which I'm planning to record in another post, but the list itself was pretty fierce.

Great report! In the future do you think you'd break the Khorne mold and incorporate some units from the other gods? I've had frequent success with Tzeentch daemons so far.

Looking forward to your observations as well!

40kenthusiast wrote:B wins best overall (also ties for best sportsmen...wtf? Dude gloated for, I swear, ten minutes on his first round assault phase.)

Now you've had that coming for months now. I can't even count how many times I heard about that one danged Heavy D. being the only thing I downed (and only down in the sense of victory points, not that it was off the table at the end of the game). It was nice for once to be on the winning end of a game that's as one-sided as Flying Circus vs. Decepticrons.

I have never seen lists that were so cheezed out.

I love it!

Not Grey Knights! After 4 years the Emperor's Scrubbing Bubbles won't be taking the field.

He's got Eldar! I don't recall precisely what's in there, but there's a Falcon with no holo-field so he's continueing his quest for best painted awards. No, seriously, this army is really well painted. In my opinion it puts his grey knights to shame.

Hehehe I am bringing them back just to tag your demons now!!!! It was nice to table a new army since the kroot list was such a disapointment. Glad they are now in europe...pretty and they travel well hehehe.

My list was
Autarch with power weapon, banshee mask, fusion gun.
Eldrad with EVERYTHING!!

2 units 10 dire avengers exarch with bladestorm and dual guns. Each unit in wave serpant with Cannons, TL ML, Stones, and vectored engines
7 man pathfinders squad (OMG did these guys suprise me!!)

Vyper with stones, cannon, and bright lance

8 man harlie squad kitted up to max

6 man fire dragons, exarch with pike and crack shot

Wraithlord with ML, and BL, dual flamers
2 man vibro cannon unit
Falcon, Fields, stones, vectored engine, shuriken cannon, and scatter laser

The list did very well. Almost tabled the wolves (harlies and fire dragons coming in from opponents table edge means a bad day for opponent!!)
The Blood angel guy had 2 or 3 models left and I had a lot left (most of army) but I had to kill 3 full elite blood angel squads with combat sheilds and one model kept me from getting the objective (didnt help that they didnt come on table till bottom of 4). The Chaos list I played was tough. If it had not been for great leadership rolls on the dire avengers I think he would have rolled over me in turn one. Instead it became a juggernaught in the middle of the table but I pulled it off in the end. He did more damage to me than both of my other opponents combined heheh.

All 3 games combined my opponents had less than 15 models left on the table at the end of the tourny. I think the first guy had 5 models, second guy had 3 models, and the last had 5 I think.

You should put up some pics of the Eldar army. When you brought the Kroot out of Fayetteville, it blew our socks off.

Overall, pretty cool reports. You all were a fun bunch to game with (even when us locals were getting tabled...)

Ill have em at the waugh as well as Maul at the mall. The look much better in person hehehe!!! I will see what I can do with some pics though. The Kroot ended up going to England. Sold em on Ebay once I figured they were no longer going to be a legal list.