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I was thinking the other day about how the Imperium is going to fair in the 'years' to come. With Abbadon coming out the eye of Terror at the Head of so many Black Crusades, and the overly cheerful Tau and their Greater good assaulting the Eastern Fringe, and the Necrons and Ctan awakening in the middle of the Imperium its self how much longer can it actually last for?

Lots of fluff says it will always keep going, whilst others seem to say it'll fall as early as next week! So please vore, and then leave your opinion and possibly some fluff to say why, or just do one of the options. Ta!

Don't forget the orks! We're continually told that if the orks ever rallied together, they would completely swamp the Imperium. The only thing saving the Imperium is the fact that the orks are so disorganised. Ghazghkull almost managed it, so surely it's only a matter of time before another ork has a big enough vision from Gork and Mork and unleashes the biggest can of woop-ass!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

I think if the Orks ever did rally together it would spell the end of their species! With no one but themselves to fight they'd probably wipe their own species out.

And I hadn't forgoten the Orks, I just couldn't be bothered to add every race to the list...

But big threat they certainly are, its only the infighting that keeps them disunited, besides the Orks are essentially Fungus, a large batch of weed killer will do the trick

In like many years time surely the imperium, Tau, eldar etc be wittled down to extinction?

We argued this at school once (a long long long debate.....) and we came to the decision that there would eventually be an endless war between the Nids, Deamons and C'tan

I don't know that it would end their species, but they'd definitely be quite bored!

Laughing about the weed killer idea! Maybe there's a new weed whacker weapon that should be on dreadnoughts when facing orks!

Gary wrote:In like many years time surely the imperium, Tau, eldar etc be wittled down to extinction?

We argued this at school once (a long long long debate.....) and we came to the decision that there would eventually be an endless war between the Nids, Deamons and C'tan

maybe, but remember the Ctan have a plan to 'turn the warp off' which essentiallly screws the Deamons, and to stop tyranids blow up the hive fleets, they can't get back up so easily.

And you know the Weed killer will work! the Imperials are just to stupid to think of it

getting the orks to unite must be like getting a bunch of chavs (is this a word used outside the UK?) to come to Games Day

Or getting an emo to look on the bright side of life...no wait, ive done that! I'd say its harder, theres what maybe a few Thousand Chavs, and a few billion Orks... I don't like those odds

orks are probably more intelligent though

Reality: the imperium can not fall because its too integrated in the game.
fluff: when those last battle came,its said the primarchs will lead again.
IMHO the emperor is then on their side (physical or any other way).Nothing can hope to win against a united imperium
End is : a galaxy to become a black hole.

I see it more as a three way endless war between the tyranids, daemons and orks as all could be thought of as being swarms of a kind, whereas the others are more reliant on maintaining their numbers. Many races have a distinctly finite number of members of their species or are crumbling away after having made too many enemies already. You can see how some species will want to eradicate others, but there doesn't seem to be the significant one-minded obliteration mentality towards any of the three I've mentioned, in any plausible way that could actually succeed.

nids: burnout by turboevolving genetic,first down.
orks: no fun without humans, second down.
c'tan: seen mars and misunderstood computervirus as entertainment for necrons,third down.

while the imperium should be wiped out already it isnt because gamesworkshop would never let the imperium die

4 if I start a Chaos army
5 if I start a Space Marine army

dmkjesus wrote:while the imperium should be wiped out already it isnt because gamesworkshop would never let the imperium die

So,why should the imperium be "wiped out" ?

because they've had too much time in the centre of attention! They can get really boring quickly, and kill each other for the trivial matter of maybe having 6 fingers on one hand. Just in case this is a sign of Chaos.

Besides the Imperium is slowly shrinking and dying already, one day too many Imperial Monkeys will die in battle and there won't be enough left to even defend Terra!

Attention makes you suffer,not "easy going" as other races,wich hides behind the imperium (eldar,tau).
If every other race must fight those battles the imperials did,how many will survive?
No problem for nids and orks i guess

Or Necrons, remember they can't actually be destroyed, they rebuild/reform in Tomb Worlds, hence they also fit into the Ork/Nid super group.

As for Orks actually fire can destroy their spores and so can stop them reproducing, so they can also be wiped out

Storm Lord wrote:Or Necrons, remember they can't actually be destroyed, they rebuild/reform in Tomb Worlds, hence they also fit into the Ork/Nid super group.

Surely Necron tomb worlds could be mass orbital bombarded? The death toll would be huge (the necrons would resist ofc) but it could be done

Well, the thing is that would also involve blowing up Mars, being the Resting place of the Void Dragon and all. Also theres no reason why new complexes and Tomb ships can't be built-Tomb spyders already maintain so building isn't a far off step, and Necrons will repair in the nearest working complex to them.

So whilst yes they could be destroyed, the Necrons would have many more to go to, and build more, hence never being destroyed

If not wiped out,to exist without a dex is more frightening.Great chance for
races to be kicked out of wh40k.

Gw would never get rid of a Dex now, its too much of a risk, should the Necron Dex go then I'll be the first to Lenton HQ with a flaming Pitch Fork and a gauss weapon!

back to the thread-surely some day the Imperium will rip its-self apart, people will get fed up with the Inquisition butchering their nieghbours one day won't they? Then all hell will break loose, as people lead mass revolts in the streets!

Imperium yes, humanity not at all. As the Emperor in another milieu once said "humanity is about to re-invent itself." Out of the chaos of massive invasions will come new human empires which will wax majestic and put a proper DAOT smackdown upon the xenos. The tools are all about for another great leap forward that will make the Tau advance look like fumbling steps of a baby elephant.

Interestingly, all it takes is one renegade tech saavy human planet to catch hold of the remains of a necron ship and viola the galaxy is again humanity's plaything.

It does sound a promising future when you put it like that

To revolt against the Inquisition ? Most citizens didn't see members of such secretive organizations for generations.
More common are revolts against governors. If successful overwhelming the arbites and pdf, the IG will handle it.
A very large uprising can invite SM to join in. Else fails = exterminatus = End of uncontrollable planets :(

Yes just because the AM couldn't reverse engineer their way out of a paper bag don't think everyone are in that bad a shape

Even without Necron tech, just think what would happen if a moderately advanced planet/system rediscovers the scientific method or even semi-modern manufacturing techniques. There are massive numbers of examples of DAOT they could start with, plus lots of xenos scum technology.

Visualize:
*Warships produced at a rate akin to the US naval production in WWII.
*Troops armed not with lasgun tech, but plasma/melta weaponry or reverse engineered ion rifles/shuricats.
*Leman Russ II Main Battle Skimmer.

Malthusian theroy seem to be prevailing here, but if the repressive lords of Tera were removed it would lead to humanities greatest strength innovation in the face of adversity.

then jfrazells ideas would relay come into their own. Im personally a fan of titans in assault torpedoes
Then humanity could flex its muscles once again

That would definitely give new meaning to "prepare a boarding party" wouldn't it.

Storm Lord wrote:Gw would never get rid of a Dex now, its too much of a risk, should the Necron Dex go then I'll be the first to Lenton HQ with a flaming Pitch Fork and a gauss weapon!

Just wait 1 or 2 years,(2010 ?),your necron dex comes surely.
Necrons, not total unfamiliar with, I own a few (1000-1500),I'll guess
A New dex is unavoidable.

The imperium's screwed hardcore like porno-flick bitches. The enimies are numerous, they are riddled with traitors, they can't decide who the real enemy is. Obviously, in game terms they'll never be destroyed, but from a fluff perspective, it's only a matter of time.