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The biggest problem with 5th for zilla is not nerfed rending it's nerfed glancing hits. To get around this I belive Zoans are a must. Nerfed rending + buffed pref enemy = a +1pt tax on stealers.

120 6 stealers with tendrils and scuttle (scuttle is for the board edge move, keeps the enemy on it's toes)
102 6 stealers with tendrils.
102 6 stealers with tendrils.
102 6 stealers with tendrils.
102 6 stealers with tendrils.
148 Basic Sniper fex
148 Basic Sniper fex
55 Zaon with Warp Blast
55 Zoan with warp Blast
55 Zoan with Warp Blast
196 FlyRant
113 Dakka Fex
113 Dakka Fex
113 Dakka Fex
174 Rant with Extended Carapace, Devs, venom cannon (VC is for a bit more first turn damage and to stun enemy armor)
1698pts

Not much different from the old zilla list. I still think its still a top tier in 5th though the troops are a bit vulnerable, they should be fine hiding behind the MC's till objective taking time though.

Let me know what you think.

I think that zoans will unfortunately be what is required for anti armor in 5th. I think that you should drop the scuttlers on the one squad because if it's only one it'll be pretty easy to deal with and they'll just get gunned down and give easy VP for your opponent. You should give all the stealers EC.

Don't mix your tyrant's weapons, give it two t-l devs, shooting the VC at the tank is going to waste the dev's shots. Even if it is first turn, you're going to want the other 6 shots later in the game. I would also give this a tyrant guard or two, they're too good to not take some on a walking tyrant. It looks like zilla will pretty much remain the same except one sniper fex will be replaced by three thropes.

It isn't required. You can glance the crap out of enemy vehicles in 5th and beat them down that way. Nids should never worry about killing vehicles at range--it's a built in weakness of the list. Nullify their shooting, and blow them up when you can but don't focus on it. Kill the non-vehicle units and you'll be happy.

PistolWraithCaine

If I drop the Rants VC down to a dev and give up scuttle that almost exactly pays for 1 rant guard.

Where would you come up with the 120pts for the carapace? Tyrpicaly I run my stealer behind my MCs so they are fairly well protected from enemy fire.

Well 1700 pts is in my experience a rather uncommon points value so I wasn't thinking about keeping your list at the same points sorry about that. I would just keep dropping stealers until you have enough points for EC, they're just free VP for your opponent anyway, unless you use them for counter charge which works against some lists, the less the better.

Is reducing yourself to 4 or even 3 scoring units worth it for EC? It does cut down your bolter-bait status, but there are so many Ap4 weapons out there, and you will be using cover as much as possible anyways. It seems to me better to multiply both the number of target units and the number of bodies that the enemy has to go through. It's also more chances to make decent Fleet rolls...

PistolWraithCaine

1700pts is tourney standard here in canuk land.

The day I learned that stealers and carapace go hand in hand is the same day that I lost 2 stealer units out right to the BBQ flame pit, no saves to be had :( Flamers cook stealers, cover wont help BABY BACK NIDS!

Freaka!