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The Stelek Paradox

Here are some of Stelek’s greatest hits:

Stelek wrote:
“You do realize I'm dying to meet someone can beat me, because it's been 10 years of 'win 3 today, win 2 tomorrow, watch some dickface win the overall then go see how bad my sportsmanship score is this year for tabling people in under an hour'?”

“You can if you wish call me colossally arrogant. Or bored as hell of beating scrubs year in and year out. It's only been a DECADE of scrub hell for me, but thanks for noticing my obvious pain over the issue.”

“Which as I've said many times, is really why I'm here. I want people to kick my ass. It's the only times I can really have fun in 40k anymore. Winning is nice, but always winning is dull. So I can be like mauleed, and quit, or I can try and make others better.”

You keep saying that you want someone to give you a challenge and, that you are tired of beating all of the scrubs out there. What I find funny is that you play the hardest armies possible.

You played Eldar at last years GT, what was your build, tri-falcon? This year it looks like you are working on Orks which are by far the hardest codex out there these days. Also if I remember correctly I read in a prior thread that you played Iron Warriors at a GT.

Stelek always talks about how good he is at game play, but then he says this:

Stelek wrote:
”I put down my Eldar and marine players usually do this:

Look at me.
Sigh.
Look at my army.
Sigh.
Sigh some more.
Tell me how Eldar are cheesy.
Tell me I'm cheesy for playing Eldar.
Sigh.
Sigh some more.”

You talk about your mad playing skills, and how you are able to analyze everything and play a flawless game, but you bring such a cheesy list, it does not matter about your play. It is your lists that win not your play.

Stelek wrote:
”So, all of my armies? I heard this about my Eldar. So I played Legion of the Damned. Same thing, it's "your army". So I played something else. Etc etc etc. Now people realize it isn't my armies. I can play trash (compared to my usual power builds) and still win.”

“2. In the last ten years of grand tournaments I've been surprised a total of twice. I don't rely on the internet for my lists, I see the codex and I can make killer lists immediately--far better than the usual off the mighty internet.”

If you can win with trash, why don’t you play them? Why don’t you show us all of this game theory knowledge and how insightful you are, and tactically advanced by winning with a less then optimal list? Make a killer list out of a codex not written by Phil Kelly.

Oh yeah, this'll end well...

BYE

In before lock!


Although I will say, I would be interested to hear the experiences of anyone (not just Stelek) who has taken a "sub-par" list to a tournament, or otherwise played it in a competitive environment and done well with it. What sort of tactics were used that were able to overcome better lists, when list-building is supposed to be so extremely important in 40k?

I'd watch the Blackmoor vs. Stelek at the LVGT.

I've got him challenged at the Vegas GT this year for round 1. We will see if he man's up and plays me or if he just talks a good game.

Darrian

wow I havent seen Blackmoor go after anyone ever since i have been on these boards.

I'd also watch the Darrian vs. Stelek. Maybe Darrian won't have to walk around the table and say, "We'll have a problem if you keep doing that"..although I can't talk since I've sort-of-dodged Darrian.

Someday I'll man up.

I tried to like Stelek. I love arrogant know-it-all internet personalities. The thing is, it only works if they actually have something, y'know, interesting or useful to say. Mauleed was one of the main reasons I even joined Dakka. I'm afraid that Stelek didn't make the cut; he teased too much without delivering the goods, so I added him to my ignore list.

Ed could back it up though. He appreciated the game, knew how to maximise effectiveness, and didn't contradict himself.

Yes, I still wish I could play as well as Ed or Therion.

In before closed .

I for one think the basis of this thread is disgraceful.

"Bullying" or "Personality Bashing" is the purvey of the socially incompetent.

Not a good look for Dakka, In my opinion.

Am I going to have to get pay-per-view? Because I really want to see this.

thehod wrote:wow I havent seen Blackmoor go after anyone ever since i have been on these boards.

Really? I thought I was taking it easy on him. He says that he is tired of easy wins, and then he goes and plays the hardest lists. I was just wondering why he does not play the less powerful armies to challenge himself.

And Hod, if you had DCM status, you should have seen us go at it in that forum. They have a policy of anything goes there, but after a while, even that got locked.

If he is half as good as he thinks he is, he should be able to go 5-0 with Demonhunters.

Stelek was off the radar prior to this year, now he will be under the microscope at the LVGT to see he can back it up. Mauleed talked the talk, and walked the walk. Now will see if Stelek can.


As a side note, I was talking to the Toledo guys at LA Gamesdays and we were talking about how you become a good player.

I put out there the way to become a good player is by playing a sub-par codex. What happens is that you have to learn to do a lot more with a lot less. I started out by playing Thousand Sons and I had so few units with few options that I had to make everything count.

They were saying to become a good player you have to play IG. With IG you have to think 2-3 turns ahead, and plot accordingly.

Either way, you don’t learn anything and you do not became a better player by playing the brutal lists that win just by overpowering your opponents.

What I find impressive are the guys that do very well with the bad armies, than the ones who do well with the good ones. For example St. John did really well at the LVGT with Witch Hunters, scoring 70 battle points, which I think is a greater achievement than the people who scored 80 with Eldar.

Stunning.

Create a useful thread and Iorek locks it.

You create this thread and it stays.

Must be nice to be friends with Yakface.

akira5665 wrote:I for one think the basis of this thread is disgraceful.

"Bullying" or "Personality Bashing" is the purvey of the socially incompetent.

Not a good look for Dakka, In my opinion.

I am asking the question of why he does not play weaker armies if he is looking for a challenge. I just used his own quotes to illustrate my point.

One of the absolute best players I know is Lemartes. He doesn't blow his own horn, he just gets in there and does things up right.

In the times I've seen him play at tournaments, he's had the brass balls to bring armies that everyone has said were never contender types and yet he has kicked around a lot of top tier stuff with them.
In the 'ard boyz, he took Grey Knights and earned himself a shot at Baltimore
That is what a truly good player is like.

what are we talking about.

Relapse wrote: One of the absolute best players I know is Lemartes. He doesn't blow his own horn, he just gets in there and does things up right.

In the times I've seen him play at tournaments, he's had the brass balls to bring armies that everyone has said were never contender types and yet he has kicked around a lot of top tier stuff with them.
In the 'ard boyz, he took Grey Knights and earned himself a shot at Baltimore
That is what a truly good player is like.

Now if only I could get him to come play me.

I saw his Grey Knights, laughed...and then watched him take #2. Shoulda taken #1 but that tourney was lame.

Someday he'll come kick my ass. It'll be fun.

My ego can take it.

Hordini wrote:
Although I will say, I would be interested to hear the experiences of anyone (not just Stelek) who has taken a "sub-par" list to a tournament, or otherwise played it in a competitive environment and done well with it. What sort of tactics were used that were able to overcome better lists, when list-building is supposed to be so extremely important in 40k?

I took Thousand Sons to the LAGT in 2005. My Thousand Sons did well against any assault army, but they did not do well against armies that can out shoot mine.

In round #1 I massacred a Khorne army. In the round #2 I massacred a Fleshtearers army. Then in round #3 I faced a brutal 2 monolith necron army that I tied. In round #4 I faced an even worse 2 monolith necron army (best general winner) and I got a bad ruling from a judge and I ended up losing. Then in round #5 I face a destroyer heavy necron army and I was so pissed off that I fought 3 necron armies in a row I phoned it in and lost.

I take my Demonhunters to RTTs every now and then. I took them to an RTT in Orlando a couple of months ago and went 2-1 with them. What hurts them at tournaments is there lack of long range AP2 against terminators, Mech armies and Oblits.

I played at an RTT this last weekend with a sub-par chaos list and I did badly. I would have done better, but the 50%+ cover on the board made it more like a city fight, and I have a static shooting army. I will write up the batrep of the game I played against Darrian13.

Don't make excuses.

Win or go home.

Stelek wrote:Don't make excuses.

Win or go home.

I like to challenge myself for time to time. I retired my Godzilla nids because they were hard to beat, and I only take out my Eldar for no-comp/gladiator settings.

I like to play challenging and fun games. My ego is not so tied up into wins and losses that I have to play the hardest armies and always crush my opponents.

If I wanted to win every game I would build an ork army, but they do not interest me.

Oh for the love of god could you whine any more?? God shut up.

I'm going to have to side with what Ed said a while ago:

All 40K is, is finding a statistical advantage over your opponent and pressing that advantage. It doesn't matter how 'good' you are, if you can do that, then you should win most times, assuming the dice do what dice should do, and produce an average of results.

Sure, that sucks the fun out of 40K completely for me, but it's the truth. So harping on about 'tabling' people for 10 years, or how one person is going to 'challenge' another is a load of nonsense.

This game isn't hard to win if you play the system and break it down. Everything you people have added since them is just machoism and ego.

BYE

That's why we have fluff, so we're not just doing math.

Stelek wrote:Stunning.

Create a useful thread and Iorek locks it.

You create this thread and it stays.

Must be nice to be friends with Yakface.

I haven't even been on dakka since Friday, so while Blackmoor is indeed my friend, There certainly isn't any conspiracy going on regarding this thread.

I agree that this thread is in poor taste and should never have been started in the first place. Blackmoor, if you have a personal beef with Stelek's attitude feel free to discuss it with him via PM, or at the very least in the DCM forum.