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So, as we all know, anyone who manages to kill Lucius the Eternal and take any ounce of pleasure or pride from the victory will then become possesed by Lucius. Lucius' soul will slowly take over the killers body until he is "born again" hence, Lucius cannot ever die.

Now I always thought what if, hypothetically, someone killed Lucius and then put a bolter to thier head and pulled the trigger, would that be the end of Lucius?

Probably.

Although, with him being Chaos and all, I would expect him to be reborn in the Warp some day. That sort of thing happens all the time.

If the person who kils him doesn't take any pride from it then he wouldnt be born again either. Like a black rage blood angel or a nid or a necron.

MinMax wrote:Probably.

Although, with him being Chaos and all, I would expect him to be reborn in the Warp some day. That sort of thing happens all the time.

That's true. A chaos marine could die today, be reborn in the warp in two hundred years, then come out of the Eye of Terror next Tuesday.

There will come a time when Slaanesh finally gets sick of Lucius, and finally kills him for good. Little does he know, that in doing so he too will become Lucius.

There's one down, three to go.

what a downgrade

I wonder how many times Lucius has been cut down on the table top by an anonymous grunt firing a battle cannon or heavy bolter who had no idea who or what he had just butchered.
Really, when you get down to it, the ability sounds cool, but is of pretty limited use in the faceless carnage of modern and future war. Great for a pit fighter though.

I think, every gift from chaos has two sides. Lucius may be eternal ,but is this worth the price?

He cannot die and stay dead.He will die and have the expierience of getting killed a thousand times over.
Sounds not so great to me.If he could only be dead forever when someone killed him without emotions,a lot of
computerized weapons should undo him.

Send in the Necrons!

Ziac45 wrote:Send in the Necrons!

Yeah, Lucius killed by a pariah might be a bit of a paradox, even if the pariah enjoyed it.

Is this not the equivalent of daemonhood?

Wehrkind wrote:I wonder how many times Lucius has been cut down on the table top by an anonymous grunt firing a battle cannon or heavy bolter who had no idea who or what he had just butchered.

Tru dat, yo. Orbital Laser Strike - Zorch! Exterminatus - Whoom! Lucius - "Damn, I'm back in purgatory again..."

1hadhq wrote:I think, every gift from chaos has two sides. Lucius may be eternal ,but is this worth the price?

He cannot die and stay dead.He will die and have the expierience of getting killed a thousand times over.
Sounds not so great to me.If he could only be dead forever when someone killed him without emotions,a lot of
computerized weapons should undo him.

Is the pleasure of pain and death not what he enjoys? The only thing that bothers me about his fluff is that if hes so great why does he die so often? None of the other main Chaos Heroes have. Or is it because he enjoys the pain and all that?

Deadric wrote:
Is the pleasure of pain and death not what he enjoys? The only thing that bothers me about his fluff is that if hes so great why does he die so often? None of the other main Chaos Heroes have. Or is it because he enjoys the pain and all that?

i think he dies so often because he can, i mean he knows he is immortal so maybe he lets people kill him to infiltrate a building, or because he doesnt like that person or maybe just for fun.

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:There will come a time when Slaanesh finally gets sick of Lucius, and finally kills him for good. Little does he know, that in doing so he too will become Lucius.

There's one down, three to go.

so the source of lucius's power fall to his own curse. meaning there is no power to fuel the curse meaning slaanesh could not have be luciusafied, but that means the source of poer is still there so he COULD but that means.....

is it a paradox or am i just overthinking?

corpsesarefun wrote:

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:There will come a time when Slaanesh finally gets sick of Lucius, and finally kills him for good. Little does he know, that in doing so he too will become Lucius.

There's one down, three to go.

so the source of lucius's power fall to his own curse. meaning there is no power to fuel the curse meaning slaanesh could not have be luciusafied, but that means the source of poer is still there so he COULD but that means.....

is it a paradox or am i just overthinking?

No its not a paradox,its just chaos.

If lucius get killed by slaanesh the curse and the curser collides,killing lucius and slaneesh in a great warp-explosion.
This is possible because chaos interacts with time on a weird "everything goes" way.

IMHO lucius only chance would be to find somebody feelin sorry for him,killing luicius as act of mercy and he must accept the death to be free.But I doubt,lucius brain got cooked with ecstatic emotions and hes not more than a ghost of the former marine,
a demonic apparition without any bounds to the original.

what happens if grey knights fight lucius?

I suppose Lucius is dead for sure if he got hit by a car accidentally and died, and some reincarnations won't make sense, like 'crons, nids, etc.

I find the idea of an ork nob slowly changing into Lucius the Eternal to be hilarious.
How the hell is he going to escape the rest of the warband when he finally makes the full transition?

Da Boss wrote:I find the idea of an ork nob slowly changing into Lucius the Eternal to be hilarious.
How the hell is he going to escape the rest of the warband when he finally makes the full transition?

Thats simple. Every ork that kills him,becomes lucius.So in the long run every ork gets killed.

hahaha

I think a grey knight would take pride in killing chaos scum and then become lucius.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I think a grey knight would take pride in killing chaos scum and then become lucius.

But no Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos, so that's can't be the case.

There will come a time when Slaanesh finally gets sick of Lucius, and finally kills him for good. Little does he know, that in doing so he too will become Lucius.

There's one down, three to go.

so the source of lucius's power fall to his own curse. meaning there is no power to fuel the curse meaning slaanesh could not have be luciusafied, but that means the source of poer is still there so he COULD but that means.....

is it a paradox or am i just overthinking?

No its not a paradox,its just chaos.

thats not "just chaos", thats circular logic in the extreme, lolol

@ Eldramesha, its not that Grey Knights cant fall, its that none ever have... Alaric came damm close, and that pissed off alot of GK players, if GW actually let a GK fall to chaos, well, lets just say there would be a violent downsizing at gw, cuz tabletop gamers rent immune to rabid-gamer syndrome... and they have the money to do so much more than just just spew rants so filled with bile and blithering rage thet just reading it or opening the forum containing it will make you angry.

but that is nwither here nor there
and hypothetical
I am not one of those that would be pissed about that, I would just be confused

besides, a GK would be warned and sheild his mind frome emotion surrounding the kill
Parriah would be ironic
Ork would be redundant as hell, until he finally hits the end of warp space, gets himself into a nobs body, then lets some average guardsman own his a$$ in cc, the guardsman would be proud as all hell, and Lucius would be back in a human body, then work his way up the ladder until he is in a body that, if a marine were to kill one that had fallen, there would be a sense of pride, then Lucius is back in a useful body...
'Nid would be dangerous, cuz he could end up ousting the hive mind with his own mind.

I don’t think it is that absolute of an issue as everyone is making it out to be. When Lucius was first was slain it was by another fighter loyal to Slaanesh. Slaanesh already owned his soul and could do whatever it wanted to the unfortunate marine.

If an individual loyal to the Emperor or another deity killed Lucius on the field of battle they would probable be able to resist through protection of that deity. A chaos champion whose soul is owned by another chaos god could probable kill Lucius without inconvenience. How would Slaanesh manipulation the fighter’s soul if it is in the possession of another god?

Same goes for orks, tyranids, necrons and any other alien whose soul might by difficult for Slaanesh to acquire. Being reborn as Lucius is through Slaanesh's manipulation, anyone who has a means to protect them selves from the warp manipulation rules wise or fluff wise (grey knights, battle sisters, Harlequins, BT with their anti-witch vow, guys with ghost helms/null rods, etc) probable could kill Lucius, perform a five minute victory dance, spit on his corpse, and then go home with little concern.

Just my opinion, but if Kharn, Ahriman, or even Abanddon where to kill Lucius they would be pretty safe. Anyone who has a god watching their back or laying claim to them already would logically be protected from Slaanesh. Also anyone with the means of resisting due to being protected by natural immunity, special devices, or not having a soul that Slaanesh could acquire/taint would likely be immune to Lucius curse.

I think, every gift from chaos has two sides. Lucius may be eternal ,but is this worth the price?

He cannot die and stay dead.He will die and have the expierience of getting killed a thousand times over.
Sounds not so great to me.If he could only be dead forever when someone killed him without emotions,a lot of
computerized weapons should undo him.

But if you have read the Horus Rising book, u'll pretty soon realise that he would like to live forever just to fight. He's in the book at the time when he was just a Captain in the EC, and when they go to the xenos filled planet of Murder, he loves it, even uses a xeno limb as a weapon (not so SM'ish)

So he's like the Ork Warboss Tuska, who got stuck on a dameon planet in the Warp. He and his warband is doomed to fight and die, only to resurrect every dawn, I qoute the codex Orks: "I many ways Tuska had come home"

Don't you just love Ork

When i have read "Horus rising" ,Lucius was a EC marine,obsessed with CC.
Also "HR" stated that spase marienz (hurr) are eternal,they could only die in combat.
lucius did only act like a Computer-game fig in cheat-mode now,just use another life and fight on.
I've never heard that lucius was eternally imprisoned in a demon world.
If he acts in normal space,its not a warp-environment where anything goes,lucius may get killed forever.
No restart like a save-game.

I've never heard that lucius was eternally imprisoned in a demon world

Not Lucius, Tuska a Ork Warboss!

Cosmos wrote:

I've never heard that lucius was eternally imprisoned in a demon world

Not Lucius, Tuska a Ork Warboss!

Your ork example just don't hit lucius