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.................................... Searching for Iscandar

I thought about it all day, how to make a 5E competitive list for the German GT's for wuestenfux.

Has to scale from 1750 to 2000.

So, here it is.

Hopefully, you like it.

It's very heavily themed.

   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






.................................... Searching for Iscandar

First, the smaller list.

1750 Pts - Eldar Roster - 1750 Wuestenfux

1 Farseer @ 135 Pts
Psyker; Doom ; Eldritch Storm ; Fleet; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Warding (RofWard); Spirit Stones (PSpStn); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)

1 Farseer @ 120 Pts
Psyker; Doom ; Eldritch Storm ; Fleet; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Spirit Stones (PSpStn); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)

5 Harlequin Troupe @ 182 Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon (x1); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x4); Shuriken Pistol (x5); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Death Jester @ [28] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequin Shrieker Cannon (HSC); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [48] Pts
Psyker; Veil Of Tears ; Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Hallucinogen Grenades

5 Harlequin Troupe @ 182 Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon (x1); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x4); Shuriken Pistol (x5); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Death Jester @ [28] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequin Shrieker Cannon (HSC); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [48] Pts
Psyker; Veil Of Tears ; Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Hallucinogen Grenades

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

1 Vyper Squadron @ 130 Pts
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)

1 Vyper Squadron @ 130 Pts
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)

1 Vyper Squadron @ 130 Pts
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)

4 Support Weapon Battery @ 60 Pts
Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x2); Shadow Weaver (SW)
1 Support Weapon @ [30] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Shadow Weaver (SW)
1 Support Weapon @ [30] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Shadow Weaver (SW)

4 Support Weapon Battery @ 100 Pts
Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x2); Vibro Cannon (VC)
1 Support Weapon @ [50] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Vibro Cannon (VC)
1 Support Weapon @ [50] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Vibro Cannon (VC)

4 Support Weapon Battery @ 100 Pts
Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x2); Vibro Cannon (VC)
1 Support Weapon @ [50] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Vibro Cannon (VC)
1 Support Weapon @ [50] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Vibro Cannon (VC)

Total Roster Cost: 1749

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/06/28 10:43:03


   
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.................................... Searching for Iscandar

Then, the finals list.

2000 Pts - Eldar Roster - 2000 Wuestenfux

1 Farseer @ 135 Pts
Psyker; Doom ; Eldritch Storm ; Fleet; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Warding (RofWard); Spirit Stones (PSpStn); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)

1 Farseer @ 120 Pts
Psyker; Doom ; Eldritch Storm ; Fleet; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Spirit Stones (PSpStn); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)

4 Harlequin Troupe @ 164 Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x4); Shuriken Pistol (x4); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Death Jester @ [28] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequin Shrieker Cannon (HSC); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [48] Pts
Psyker; Veil Of Tears ; Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Hallucinogen Grenades

4 Harlequin Troupe @ 164 Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x4); Shuriken Pistol (x4); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Death Jester @ [28] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequin Shrieker Cannon (HSC); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [48] Pts
Psyker; Veil Of Tears ; Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Hallucinogen Grenades

4 Harlequin Troupe @ 164 Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x4); Shuriken Pistol (x4); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Death Jester @ [28] Pts
Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequin Shrieker Cannon (HSC); Hallucinogen Grenades
1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [48] Pts
Psyker; Veil Of Tears ; Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Close Combat Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Hallucinogen Grenades

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
Fleet; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Stealth; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Pathfinders; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

1 Vyper Squadron @ 130 Pts
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)

1 Vyper Squadron @ 130 Pts
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)

1 Vyper Squadron @ 130 Pts
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)
1 Vyper @ [65] Pts
Missile Launcher (ML); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat)

4 Support Weapon Battery @ 60 Pts
Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x2); Shadow Weaver (SW)
1 Support Weapon @ [30] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Shadow Weaver (SW)
1 Support Weapon @ [30] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Shadow Weaver (SW)

4 Support Weapon Battery @ 100 Pts
Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x2); Vibro Cannon (VC)
1 Support Weapon @ [50] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Vibro Cannon (VC)
1 Support Weapon @ [50] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Vibro Cannon (VC)

4 Support Weapon Battery @ 100 Pts
Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x2); Vibro Cannon (VC)
1 Support Weapon @ [50] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Vibro Cannon (VC)
1 Support Weapon @ [50] Pts
Unit Type: Artillery; Vibro Cannon (VC)

Total Roster Cost: 1997

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/06/28 10:43:25


   
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Springhurst, VIC, Australia

a very interesting list

DC:90+S++G++MB+I+Pw40k98-ID++A++/hWD284R++T(T)DM+

Squigy's Gallery, come have a look
 
   
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator






Hamburg

Indeed, both lists are competitive:
2 Farseers, 2/3 Harlie squads, 4/5 Pathfinder squads, 3x2 Vypers, 3x2 Weapon Platforms.
How will the Vypers do in the 5th ed?

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.................................... Searching for Iscandar

Killing Vypers isn't that difficult unless they have Holo-fields, but if they have cover saves

However, sitting at 48" range tossing out plasma missile barrages will put a crimp in people's day--especially with Doom up.

While not the best anti-tank, they are capable of it.

It's a combined damage table, and vehicles just don't like to die. Even with as good a chance at it as Vypers without holofields.

I know from experience that alot of vehicles is a serious pain in the ass to deal with. stjohn regularly beats down my morale with his vehicle armies. When you hit 12 vehicles, it's very difficult to deal with.

Toss in some creative play and people are going to be packing in the heavy weapons to put vehicle armies away.

This list isn't vehicle heavy, and in reality it won't be trying to knock out every vehicle--just get them attritioned away.

Against all armies, I think you'll find the Vypers invaluable. Just don't run two. Run six to nine of them.

It makes all the difference in the world.

   
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Hamburg

The new rules say that area terrain do not block LoS, right?
If so, the Weapon Batteries are in more in danger to get shot down since they can't be hidden.

Former moderator 40kOnline

Lanchester's square law - please obey in list building!

Illumini: "And thank you for not finishing your post with a "" I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever."

Armies: Eldar, Necrons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights; World Eaters (30k); Bloodbound; Cryx, Circle, Cyriss 
   
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They get randomized hits and cover saves.

Not a perfect defense, but really in an army like this if they're shooting lascannons that will do the following...who cares?

Hit .66
Random to Guardian .66
Wound 83.3
Save .50

What's that, a 18.1% chance to kill a Guardian?
A 9% chance to kill a gun?

Sure, fire lascannons at me.

Seems like a surefire plan to me...

   
 
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