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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/05 18:51:26
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/03/halperin/index.html
Wednesday Sept. 3, 2008 14:25 EDT
Sarah Palin and Mark Halperin's complaints of "liberal media"
(updated below)
In 2006, Mark Halperin -- then of ABC News, now of Time Magazine -- published a book with Politico's Editor-in-Chief John Harris, and Halperin's primary strategy for selling books was to appear on right-wing talk radio and television and rail against "the liberal media," sychophantically spouting right-wing attacks on his profession. Halperin told radio host Hugh Hewitt that he agreed with Hewitt's complaint that the "liberal media has destroyed the necessity of the left having to debate, having to reach a message across, because you guys have always papered over the weakness of their arguments," and then debased himself before Bill O'Reilly by vowing "to prove to conservatives that we understand their grievances. We're going to try to do better."
Halperin continues to play this self-flagellating role in order to please the Right. Today he published a chart arguing that part of what was driving the scrutiny of Sarah Palin is "anti-Republican liberal media bias," and he then went on Joe Scarborough's MSNBC show this morning to make the same claim:
There are three bad reasons [for the "frenzy" against Palin]. One is the liberal press. I think the McCain campaign is right that people are going after her harder than they would go after a Democratic Vice Presidential nominee.
The very notion of the "Liberal Media" is one of the most inane myths in American politics -- something spat out and repeated in the lowest right-wing sewers for so long that it has become conventional wisdom -- but Halperin's frequent vouching for that myth, in his role of "journalist," illustrates all one needs to know about him. The media's contempt for both John Kerry and Al Gore was matched only by their reverence for George Bush's swagger. The first several months of media coverage this year was dominated by Jerimiah Wright, lapel pins, bowling scores, Bittergate and elitism. And it is highly unlikely that there has even been a time in American history when the media was as subservient to Government as they were during the Bush era. It's literally hard to imagine a claim that ought to be more discredited in general than the notion of the "liberal media" and its "anti-Republican bias."
But specifically to attribute the media scrutiny of Sarah Palin to this mythical "anti-Republican bias" is absurd beyond description. Palin is undoubtedly the most mysterious and unknown individual to be inserted into our national political scene in decades, if not longer. The first time her name ever appears in any news accounts, at least according to Nexis, was an April 3, 1996 article in The Anchorage Daily News that reported this:
Alaskans Line Up For a Whiff of Ivana
Sarah Palin, a commercial fisherman from Wasilla, told her husband on Tuesday she was driving to Anchorage to shop at Costco. Instead, she headed straight for Ivana.
And there, at J.C. Penney's cosmetic department, was Ivana, the former Mrs. Donald Trump, sitting at a table next to a photograph of herself. She wore a light-colored pantsuit and pink fingernail polish. Her blonde hair was coiffed in a bouffant French twist.
"We want to see Ivana," said Palin, who admittedly smells like salmon for a large part of the summer, "because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture."
Ivana Trump, the former Czechoslovakian Olympic skier who found fame and wealth as the wife of the New York tycoon, came to Anchorage Tuesday to push her line of perfume.
More than 500 people waited as long as half an hour in J.C. Penney to chat with her and receive an autographed photo.
That was 1996. It was that same year -- in October -- when Palin was elected Mayor of Wasilla. According to The Anchorage Daily News article reporting her victory, "the final tally was 617-413." There are High School Student Council elections with more votes than that. She ran her campaign, and won, based on the precise GOP wedge strategies that John McCain, to this day, pretends to decry. As a Wasilla councilman put it at the time:
Palin offers no management qualifications, basing her campaign on the buzzword planks and the political might of the far-right Republicans. She obtained endorsement by the NRA. Why is the Republican Party so interested in local elections? Why is the NRA involved in such a contest? The three council seats up this year also saw challengers running on the basis of the Republican Party platform, using the same tactics.
I would never suggest that an individual or organization refrain from participating in any election, but I had hoped this valley and Wasilla could avoid the nationwide tendency that sees such elections become more and more partisan. Bad enough that state decisions are made more often on the basis of party politics and in party caucuses. We don't need that at the local level.
Time today reported the same thing: "While Palin often describes that race as having been a fight against the old boys' club, [then-incumbent Mayor] Stein says she made sure the campaign hinged on issues like gun owners' rights and her opposition to abortion (Stein is pro-choice)."
The first thing Palin did after being elected was fire six department heads in the City, including the Police Commissioner and the librarian. As The Anchorage Daily News put it: "the newly elected mayor of Wasilla has asked all of the city's top managers to resign in order to test their loyalty to her administration." It added:
She's also been criticized by the local semiweekly newspaper for a new policy requiring department heads to get the mayor's approval before talking to reporters. An editorial in The Frontiersman labeled it a "gag order."
In January of 1997, Palin seemed actually to lie about what she did, as the same paper reported:
Palin said she planned to meet with [Police Chief Irl] Stambaugh and [librarian Mary Ellen] Emmons this afternoon. She also disputed whether they had actually been fired. "There's been no meeting, no actual terminations," she said.
Stambaugh's response was to read part of the letter given to him.
"Although I appreciate your service as police chief, I've decided it's time for a change. I do not feel I have your full support in my efforts to govern the city of Wasilla. Therefore I intend to terminate your employment. . . . "
"If that's not a letter of termination, I don't know what is," he said.
Perhaps the most disturbing revelation about Palin yet appeared in the Time article linked above -- that one of the very first things she did after being elected Mayor was pressure the librarian to ban books which she found offensive in some way:
Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
Indeed, while reading through the early accounts of Palin's tenure as mayor, the most mystifying aspect was that she not only immediately fired people like the Police Chief and Finance Director -- one could argue that a new Mayor would want loyalists in those positions to carry out her new agenda -- but also the City Librarian. From the January 31, 1997 edition of Anchorage Daily News:
Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin fired the city's police chief and the library director without warning Thursday, accusing them of not fully supporting her efforts to govern. Irl Stambaugh and Mary Ellen Emmons said letters signed by Palin were dropped on their desks Thursday afternoon telling them their jobs were over as of Feb. 13 and that they no longer needed to report to work.
Emmons has been the city's library director for seven years. Stambaugh has headed the police department since it was created in 1993. Before that, he served 22 years with the Anchorage Police Department rising to the rank of captain before retiring.
Other than banning books which Palin disliked, what possible agenda could a librarian be expected to serve upon pain of firing? Community anger over Palin's attempt to fire the librarian was apparently intense, forcing Palin to reverse her decision. From the The Anchorage Daily News on February 1, 1997:
City librarian Mary Ellen Emmons will stay, but Police Chief Irl Stambaugh is on his own, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin announced Friday.
The decision came one day after letters signed by Palin were dropped on Stambaugh's and Emmon's desks, telling them their jobs were over as of Feb. 13.
The mayor told them she appreciated their service but felt it was time for a change. "I do not feel I have your full support in my efforts to govern the city of Wasilla. Therefore I intend to terminate your employment ..." the letter said.
Palin said Friday she now feels Emmons supports her but does not feel the same about Stambaugh.
As to what prompted the change, Palin said she now has Emmons' assurance that she is behind her. She refused to give details about how Stambaugh has not supported her, saying only that "You know in your heart when someone is supportive of you."
Thereafter, Palin fired the City Attorney, who was replaced by Ken Jacobus, the counsel for the Alaskan state Republican Party. Between this behavior almost immediately upon becoming Mayor and her subsequent firing of the State Police Commissioner while Governor, Palin has a rather clear pattern of trying to use her power to advance personal grievances and fill government positions with political hacks, cronies, and those who are loyal to her politically -- exactly what has infected so much of the Federal Government over the last eight years. Far worse, shockingly little is known about what she actually thinks and believes, and what little is known suggests some rather extremist and even bizarre leanings, beginning with an attempt to ban books from her local library, even firing the head librarian for refusing to comply.
And yet here is Mark Halperin, claiming that it is "anti-Republican liberal media bias" (along with "sexism") that explains why, in his words, "Sarah Palin is Being So Very Scrutinized" (even while acknowledging that there are "good reasons" for doing so). Has there ever been an individual on a major party presidential ticket about whom less was known than Sarah Palin? Infinitely more scrutiny is required before it can be said that the media has fulfilled its obligations here, let alone that it has done so excessively due to "anti-Republican" media bias that exists only in Mark Halperin's head.
UPDATE: Speaking of the merger of right-wing talking points and media narratives, the AP's Tom Raum last night "reported" -- falsely -- that "many liberals are belittling the choice, suggesting that as a mother of five children -- including an infant with Down syndrome — she has neither the time nor the experience to become vice president." National Review's Kathleen Parker echoes that claim almost verbtaim today: "Some also have questioned whether Palin, whose son Trig has Down syndrome, can be both a mother and a vice president? These questions aren’t coming from the Right -- so often accused of wanting to keep women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen -- but from the Left."
Which "liberals" -- who "on the Left" -- have done any such thing? Neither AP nor Parker bother to identify a single person who has. Here, however, is right-wing icon Dr. Laura Schlesinger:
I am extremely disappointed in the choice of Sarah Palin as the Vice Presidential candidate of the Republican Party. . . . I'm stunned -- couldn't the Republican Party find one competent female with adult children to run for Vice President with McCain? I realize his advisors probably didn’t want a "mature" woman, as the Democrats keep harping on his age. But really, what kind of role model is a woman whose fifth child was recently born with a serious issue, Down Syndrome, and then goes back to the job of Governor within days of the birth?
When Mom and Dad both work full-time (no matter how many folks get involved with the children), it becomes a somewhat chaotic situation. Certainly, if a child becomes ill and is rushed to the hospital, and you're on the hotline with both Israel and Iran as nuclear tempers are flaring, where's your attention going to be? Where should your attention be? Well, once you put your hand on the Bible and make that oath, your attention has to be with the government of the United States of America. . . .
Any full-time working wife and mother knows that the family takes the short end of the stick. Marriages and the welfare of children suffer when a stressed-out mother doesn't have time to be a woman, a wife, and a hands-on Mommy.
Here, you can email NRO Editor Kathryn Jean Lopez (who repeated and promoted Parker's false claim) and ask Lopez if they intend to correct Parker's erroneous claim. The Right and many of their media allies are simply inventing attacks on Palin, dishonestly attributing them to "liberals," and then gallantly defending her from them.
-- Glenn Greenwald
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/05 19:23:26
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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It's easier to attack the media than the opponent. Nixon knew that. Everyone knows that. Even easier now when you have a right-wing media which is happy to make stuff up because it's inflammatory and gets ratings.
What will be really interesting is whether women respond positively to Palin or negatively--and which ones.
As was pointed out at Slate's XX Factor, things aren't as clearly blue or red with Palin: is it blue or red that she stayed in office and went back to work after having her 5th baby?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/05 19:29:38
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Current Rasmussen pol: Palin is more popular than either McCain or Obama.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/05 20:09:34
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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It's all because they don't want to report that Obama is a SECRET MUSLIM!
I saw that poll. They showed a picture of McCain, Obama, and Palin and on each pic it said "Would You Hit It? Yes/No?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/05 22:19:04
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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jfrazell wrote:Current Rasmussen pol: Palin is more popular than either McCain or Obama.
Of course she's popular...no one knows about her so they want to know. This provokes interst and people follow their interests. Now the question is will this last and will it translate into votes. My guess is no, but it would hardly be the first time I've been wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/05 22:20:12
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Phoenix wrote:jfrazell wrote:Current Rasmussen pol: Palin is more popular than either McCain or Obama.
Of course she's popular...no one knows about her so they want to know. This provokes interst and people follow their interests. Now the question is will this last and will it translate into votes. My guess is no, but it would hardly be the first time I've been wrong.
Sounds amazingly like the Democratic Presidential Nominee.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/05 22:27:40
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Can she be worse than the morons that were in the oval office the last 15 (or more) years?
Why vote for a lesser evil? Cthulhu 2008!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 00:45:25
Subject: Re:Sarah Palin in the media
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damned liberal media!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 02:24:44
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Ahtman wrote:
I saw that poll. They showed a picture of McCain, Obama, and Palin and on each pic it said "Would You Hit It? Yes/No?"
So why isn't McCain winning?
He's got all sorts of war wounds to explore...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 02:54:13
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Phoenix wrote:jfrazell wrote:Current Rasmussen pol: Palin is more popular than either McCain or Obama.
Of course she's popular...no one knows about her so they want to know. This provokes interst and people follow their interests. Now the question is will this last and will it translate into votes. My guess is no, but it would hardly be the first time I've been wrong.
What, you mean just like the other rookie Senator in the race?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 07:15:33
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Well, Obama has an interesting story to tell and a fresh perspective to bring to the arena... while Palin has the Same Old S#!t and a bunch of actual scandal, rather than manufactured ones, in her background.
Honestly, I don't know why people are so fired up about her... but then again, I've had plenty of experience with the Junior-League-style woman (at least the Middle Tenn. version of it), which is what she reminds me of, and what little shine that mentality had wore off eons ago.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 12:23:38
Subject: Re:Sarah Palin in the media
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legoburner wrote:
damned liberal media!
That´s really lame what´s next in the election? School yard name calling, food fights at the Capitol cafeteria?
For God´s sake, if you are going to lambast Obama do it for something political there are hundreds of issues with the guy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 12:31:07
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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lord_sutekh wrote:...while Palin has the Same Old S#!t and a bunch of actual scandal, rather than manufactured ones, in her background.
Her scandal is that she MIGHT have influenced the firing of a cop who hid behind his badge and abused his wife and son. Yeah, the public will lambast her for that! Notice the Dems not really making an issue out of that.
As for Barack, he got his start in Chicago. Do you know anything about politics in Chicago? I have little doubt that Obama is a decent and moral fellow...but there are NO clean politicians from Chicago. NONE. I'm sure he has his issues, too.
Long story short, I wouldn't start comparing scandals just yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 17:51:16
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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At this point, if anyone had anything on Obama they'd probably have tossed it into the ring. Paling's keeps rising, but there's not much in there that would be crushing.
I don't think scandals are that important on either side this time. Their positions and policies are a lot worthier of debate.
And that Fox screenshot is a shop, riiiight?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 18:01:49
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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dienekes96 wrote:lord_sutekh wrote:...while Palin has the Same Old S#!t and a bunch of actual scandal, rather than manufactured ones, in her background.
Her scandal is that she MIGHT have influenced the firing of a cop who hid behind his badge and abused his wife and son. Yeah, the public will lambast her for that! Notice the Dems not really making an issue out of that. As for Barack, he got his start in Chicago. Do you know anything about politics in Chicago? I have little doubt that Obama is a decent and moral fellow...but there are NO clean politicians from Chicago. NONE. I'm sure he has his issues, too. Long story short, I wouldn't start comparing scandals just yet. I've looked into the Palin trooper scandal (and by that I mean I've looked at this page), and it seems like a lot of he said/she said type stuff. He may have been an abusive douche or the wife could have been making him look bad to get more divorce dollars. I'm not sure if we'll ever see the facts behind it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 18:46:39
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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dienekes96 wrote:Her scandal is that she MIGHT have influenced the firing of a cop who hid behind his badge and abused his wife and son. Yeah, the public will lambast her for that! Notice the Dems not really making an issue out of that.
There is also the other political firing, the attempted book banning, and some other stuff. There is also the pregnant daughter. Let's be honest, if it were Obama's daughter (assuming they were a little older) they'd be getting it with both guns from the Republicans about the breakdown of decency and morality.
dienekes96 wrote:As for Barack, he got his start in Chicago. Do you know anything about politics in Chicago? I have little doubt that Obama is a decent and moral fellow...but there are NO clean politicians from Chicago. NONE. I'm sure he has his issues, too.
This is also true.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 18:57:36
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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jfrazell wrote:Sounds amazingly like the Democratic Presidential Nominee.
Yes, the policies and beliefs of a guy who's been in the national spotlight since his senate run began in 2005 is exactly the same as a girl who's been in the national media for a week.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 19:56:31
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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But its nothing to do with media experience and everything to do with political experience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 21:52:03
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/07 13:21:11
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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GMMStudios wrote:But its nothing to do with media experience and everything to do with political experience.
Is it? I'm confused, it's almost as if the goal posts keep changing when one line of attack gets stopped. You're saying political experience, but just up above jfrazell was commenting that Obama was an 'unknown', nothing to do with experience, just how know they are to the public. But now you're saying it's about political experience, except only only last week it was all about 'executive experience', or whatever it is 18 months as a governor gives you. But now it's political experience... is that what the pundit machine has settled on finally?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 06:19:51
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Obama has judgement. McCain has experience. Biden has both. Palin has neither.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 06:25:58
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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I was about to put a much nastier post here, but I guess I can summarize my feelings by saying that whatever kind of president Barack would make (probably a disappointing one given the overdrive his hype machine has gone into) he would make an excellent martyr. If Barack meets a sniper's bullet or a few tons of ammonium nitrate on inauguration night, he dies pure. No policy bungles or scandals or broken promises - pure as driven snow. (just like the skin of the mother who raised him ha ha ha) He would be the greatest American Martyr since Abraham Lincoln. His wife, children, grandchildren, and further descendants and associates could run for and own that seat in the Senate for perpetuity, their stake in the American aristocracy guaranteed. They'd be American Ghandis. Well, bad example, given the Ghandis were all eventually killed off with the exception of Sonia, who married into the family, but the example stands. Baracks assassination would legitimize his line in the eyes of the public better than any conceivable policy he could possibly develop EVER could. As a president, he would be forced to be an official, but as a corpse, he would be free to be the symbol for which everybody wanted to vote. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if his own party called the hit in, Benazir Bhutto-style for exactly that reason. It worked for Zardari, why wouldn't it work for Michelle?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 06:28:16
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 06:59:04
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Murfreesboro, TN
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... If that was the LESS nasty post, feel free to never post again.
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 12:14:49
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Agreed.
Mod mode:
OTT is more wide open but lets have no more discussion down this path of reasoning. Calling for, or explaining the merits of, the assassination of a US Presidential contender ist verboten.
Mod Mode de-activate.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 13:33:40
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Stormin' Stompa
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What if it's a dedicated thread?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 14:00:02
Subject: Re:Sarah Palin in the media
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I restate:
Mod mode:
OTT is more wide open but lets have no more discussion down this path of reasoning. Calling for, or explaining the merits of, the assassination of a US Presidential contender ist verboten.
Mod Mode de-activate.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 14:08:28
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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Stormin' Stompa
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Next time I make a joke I'll put a little laughing ork head in for certain people's benefit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 14:36:46
Subject: Sarah Palin in the media
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I'd advise just steer clear of that point.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 15:03:13
Subject: Re:Sarah Palin in the media
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Stormin' Stompa
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Okay, okay. Obama's the one I'd rather see a president anyway.
To quote the Futurama, "Nixon's pro-War and pro-Family." McCain's the one who needs to be  in the  .
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