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In the necron codex, the necrontyr were described as harsh, competitive, imperialistic and impatient (I think, not sure). This sound familiar to anyone? *cough* Humanity *cough*

Being human (who would have guessed?), we know that there are many types of people, with different goals. The Necrontyr seem to pretty much be humanity's predecessors (in terms of idealogy) with 1/5th of our lifespan (or some other such fraction). (don't you DARE get into a debate with me and say "the Old Ones did this and did THAT," because the Old Ones only start creating life during the Necron war, and don't say the C'tan did this and did THAT, and guess what!? Eldrad is a c'tan, the emperor is a c'tan, ethereals are c'tan, and your dear old mum is a c'tan! JUST DON'T DO EET)

That being said, is there the possibility of having "good" necrons? Necrontyr that realized the c'tan for what they were and resisted being enslaved. Still, they couldn't resist the immortality offered by the necrodermis bodies, and become necron themselves. However, they are aware of this and take steps to make sure they aren't turned into mindless slaves. Now in the 41st millenium, these good necrons arise from their tombs and begin anew their quest to destroy the c'tan, and to free their people from bondage (by destroying them). After ridding the galaxy of the c'tan, they resume their quest to establish an empire, just without the harvesting of souls.

Your thoughts/comments/opinions?

Well, i don't think it is possible, the C'tan delivered the necro's from there bondage of a weak body by taking there souls. Imo it is kinda hard to give a crap about anything that happens to the galaxy if you don't have a soul

killmonky07 wrote:Well, I don't think it is possible, the C'tan delivered the necro's from their bondage of a weak body by taking their souls. Imo it is kinda hard to give a crap about anything that happens to the galaxy if you don't have a soul

The good necrons do realize the value of metal bodies, and take them. The only difference is that they don't allow themselves to become harvesting machines that exist only to feed the c'tan.

In response to the latter portion of your post, the good necrons don't give a damn about any other race. They kill the bad necrons and then go off to reconquer the galaxy. I can just imagine 4 necron warriors happily skipping through the field (or happily lurching), holding hands, and disintegrating humans with the occasional gauss blast.

It just seems to me like revolt would be impossible against someone that holds your soul, especially so if you are made of there body.

Only the few of the very strongest retained there intellect and even they were shadows of there former selves.

A shadow would not have the will to rise up against its master.



(Edit : Grammatical Error)

Well, the background is so vague that we'll probably never know. But I can always hope. After all, what are 40k figures without stories to back them up?

It sounds quite good fun and can easily be justified by a bit of fluff writing.

E.g. system error in a Tomb World gives their souls back to a bunch of Necrons and they wake up good.

IIRC, there are no good necrons mentioned in the fluff, but some of the necrontyr resisted the C'Tan before being subdued.

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From what I know of the Necrons race there "can't" be any good necrons due to the method involved for them to become necrons in the first place. As killmonky07 said, they end up with no soul.
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However, my own personal point of view is who cares! 40K is meant to be fun and enjoyable and if you want to make up your own history and background for a necron force that is not evil then go for it. It would be unique compared to the other necron forces and more personal to yourself. If you write one down then please post it for others too read as I think if done right it could make for some interesting reading

You could always argue that there was a mishap as Kilkrazy mentioned, or even that several of the ones that resisted managed to complete the process themselves without the help of the C'tan and therefore kept their souls.

The only "Good Necron is a dead Necron...."
"Dammit why won't these things stay down?"-every trooper that has ever fought Necrons

It would make for an interesting campaign Idea- "Guardsmen Dervon of the 7th Persidian Guard, fired his lasgun into the approaching horde Necrons. The dark mass of metallic bodies seemed to absorb every red-hot bolt of lasgun fire with no effect, and then one of them leading the assault, faltered- it's metallic frame scored with blast marks- before falling face first into the dirt. while still firing, Dervon mentally cheered, these thing weren't invincible, they could be defeated. Then a look of horror crossed Devon face, as he watched the same Necron that just fell, pull it self out of the dirt and continue it's slow walk toward the guardsman's lines. Dervon dived down ageist the wall of the trench, just as bolt of green lighting crackled right over the trench, right where his head would of been. As he lay ageist the sand bag wall of trench, he fumbled for a new clip from his belt, when the packed dirt before him bulged and a dark skeletal forearm bust forth from the earth. Devon, paralyzed with terror, could do nothing as the Necron pulled it's self from the earth. Completely free from the dirt, it's skeletal face with dark hollows where eyes should be, seemed stare right at the terrified guardsmen, and then silently stepped over him and then with a mechanical grace, scaled the wall of the trench. Dervon, overcoming his paralysis, stood up and gazed over the lip of the trench, what he saw shocked him and he stood with his mouth agape as the Necron with back to him, waded forward, it strange weapon held at its skeletal hip, fired bright bolts of green lighting at its comrades. He glanced to his right he saw several others doing the same.'What in the Emperors name was going on?'" And Yes, I wrote that.

Wasn't there some story somewhere about necrons who helped som imperial dudes then dissapeared? idk

But I don't think you could have good necrons. You could have less evil ones, but not "good" in the strictest sense of the word. What would be cool is renegade necrons whom have rebelled against the star-gods and their plans and become kind of neutral, not particularly caring about anything except wanting to exact revenge for cursing them. In the new rulebook it's mentioned that the necron lords still hold a small part of their previous lives, maybe one holds a small vestige of hope for his metallic brethren and who cannot comprehend the forces arrayed against it.

Gazzdag wrote:Wasn't there some story somewhere about necrons who helped som imperial dudes then dissapeared? idk

But I don't think you could have good necrons. You could have less evil ones, but not "good" in the strictest sense of the word. What would be cool is renegade necrons whom have rebelled against the star-gods and their plans and become kind of neutral, not particularly caring about anything except wanting to exact revenge for cursing them. In the new rulebook it's mentioned that the necron lords still hold a small part of their previous lives, maybe one holds a small vestige of hope for his metallic brethren and who cannot comprehend the forces arrayed against it.

Well of course not "Good" Necrons, but "Good" in the sense that they're a wee bit less evil.

You also hit on the idea that I was going for. The "less evil" necron gain metallic bodies (through their own scientific efforts), but also lose every emotion. This way, the necron lord (who I name Menaziel) retains a mechanical need to destroy the c'tan out of his desires in life. He isn't happy, he isn't sad, he just wants to get the job done. His lack of emotions have also led him to view living beings with pity, seeing them as now inferior to him & his brethren.

I'll probably post some of my flavor ideas later on, as well.

Let’s not forget that at one time there were more then four C’tan. Fielding a necron force that lost their star god is a decent way of justifying behavior not typical to nercons loyal to the surviving four.

These necrons could be following old commands from their now deceased lords when they assault other necrons – perhaps the sentient lords are a bit peeved that their god was slain by the other guys' god and are still fighting a conflict that started 60 million years ago.

They also could be following agendas that were evil millions of years ago, but now make them a force of good in the 40K universe. If a necron army was dedicated to the extermination of the korks they were clear cut villains during the war in heaven – if they continue with that agenda after waking there won't be a lot of people upset that a large necron force flies the galaxy around wiping out the orks with a passion. Another force could have specialized at targeting large psychic disturbances and warp entities. Instead of attacking pysker hotspots and eldar gods like they did millions of years ago, they would currently target the minions of chaos and their domains.

The necrons are sixty million years old. Their leaders are insane monsters and soul-hungry gods.

Necrontyr who opposed the C'tan would have been isolated or exterminated sixty million years ago.

Personally, I don't think Necrons are redeemable.

That said, I could see an interpretation of the necrons as neither good nor evil. But necrons who oppose the C'tan? That implies free will, which isn't something they possess. Sorry.

Arkion wrote:But necrons who oppose the C'tan? That implies free will, which isn't something they possess. Sorry.

Necrons have rudimentary personalities and some lords are pretty much entirely intact. In the xenology book there was a necron lord character that taunted and teased an inquisitor while he operated on the man. The necron character disguised himself as a human and created a plot to destroy an imperial base – he was not just a machine following directions, but a clever evil mastermind.

There are four C’tan each with their own agenda. I could see the nightbringer’s necrons attacking the deciever’s tomb worlds and vice ad versa. I also imagine there are a lot of free necrons who are acting independently of the C’tan - either that their old bosses are dead or they got lost in the shuffle.

The necrontyr were always jerks even when they were alive. They can never be considered even remotely close to being good guys – but they can have adversary relationships with other villains be them other necron, tyranids, chaos, or other undesirable force in the 40K universe.

I think the whole "system error" theory sounds nice. Just watch out that you don't do to Necrons what Voyager did to Borgs

indeed its possible, you could go for something like the whole system error thing with a twist, the necron lord that has awakened has had no directives from a c'tan as he was killed by the night bringer and has decided that the entire galaxy should be necron and go for a while borg like thing there not evil thier not good they just wana make more crons

It's a big galaxy, anything could happen . . .

There are four C’tan each with their own agenda. I could see the nightbringer’s necrons attacking the deciever’s tomb worlds and vice ad versa.

Same.

Necrons have rudimentary personalities...he was not just a machine following directions, but a clever evil mastermind.

Personality =/= Free Will. I dunno, the lack of identity is what makes Necrons frightening. If you take that away, you're missing the point of Necrons.

It's the opposite to me. Without identity and personality, the Necrons are no more frightening than a minefield or a runaway car or something.

Anyway, back to the topic.

Firstly, 40K is supposed to be a narrative game. If you want to have "good" Necrons just do it and invent an excuse.

As for the excuse, think about this. What is a Necron? It is a robot controlled by a computer which is running an AI simulation containing the mind pattern of an original Necrontyr being. Any AI simulation capable of doing that could easily run by itself and would probably be more efficient because it wouldn't have to maintain all the individual personality features. So there is a good reason why the personalities have been maintained -- it must make the Necrons more effective than if they were just an AI controlled robot.

Next thing is they must have some degree of free will and decision making capacity, or the C'Tan would have to be individually controlling every single Necron.

So the Necron army as a whole is a collection of machine beings with personalities and some degree of free will, but directed towards evil ends by the supreme commanders.

Other armies have breakaway factions -- the Tau have Farsight, the Orks are constantly fighting each other, among the Imperium there are frequent rebellions and defections. Why shouldn't one bunch of Necrons split off from the official C'Tan agenda and go their own way?

5th Ed fluff gives tons of reasons to have good 'Crons, seeing as they are no longer "omnicidal killer robots" and now instead "Completely fracking insane robots". Have the Necron commander wake up with a head injury, completely convinced that he's the 40k equivalent of Mother Theresa, trying to restore peace to a war-torn galaxy with their tazer rifles.

well IMO necrons are totally the undead race for 40k. I really dont see why some of them couldnt awake and start acting on their own. a system malfunction or corrupted data somewhere, somthing along those lines would make for an awesome background for his necrons. Even if it said strait in the codex "Necrons CANNOT ever, never ever, not in a ba-gillion years EVER have there own thought or agenda" Id still say screw that and make up your own story.
Sure they could never be "good" guys. i would never see a necron holding out his hand to help some poor human up from the ground...... unless only to gauss them in the FACE! Go for it man, your idea sounds good. now just write something up so we can all read and enjoy

I could see them being "good". After all... I'm wanting to do some "good" tyranids.

Maybe misunderstood is a better word . Humanity, after all, certainly isn't "good" in the 40k world, so from another point of view, why couldn't the necrons be the good guys?

Okay, just my point of view

Lets face it. There are no good guys in 40K. Only a whole bunch of evils and their diet versions...

I'd say, perhaps a waking ombworld, once belonging to a C'tan that has been munched up by the laughing god's deceiving of the nightbringer and eating his buddies.
And when they wake up at last, by whatever reason (perhaps their gauss alarm clock just went off, who knows), they find their own wills and minds returned to them... Sounds good to me .

I sense a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced by HELLO KITTY NECRONS!

Despite their best efforts, the Imperial Guard simple cannot halt the advance of the necron force. Shot after shot is fired but each Necron just gets back up to continue marching

As they step ever closer to the Imperial lines many guardsmen give up and accept the enevitable. A lone Necron that appears to be their leader steps forth and ponders slowly to the Imperials as they lay down their weapons in fear.

The Necron Lord stares a guardsmen in the face from one foot away and says "Excuse me, I'm trying to find this years Crufts Exhibition on Omikron V, do you par chance know where we can find this years show? I'm wishing to enter Fluffy in the 'Best Poodle' section"

Okay okay... "good" guys don't have to be "fluffy poodle" guys, you know...

PestilenceBlossom wrote:
The good necrons do realize the value of metal bodies, and take them. The only difference is that they don't allow themselves to become harvesting machines that exist only to feed the c'tan.

In response to the latter portion of your post, the good necrons don't give a damn about any other race. They kill the bad necrons and then go off to reconquer the galaxy. I can just imagine 4 necron warriors happily skipping through the field (or happily lurching), holding hands, and disintegrating humans with the occasional gauss blast.

The problem is, they don't really have a choice in the matter. Not allowing thsemelves to become harvesting machines seems kind of hard when you're not the one in charge of the machine you're using. That's like saying, if someone pushes you into a meat grinder, you can not get ground up into meat, only in this case the meat is your soul. 4th edition pretty much set necrons up as dulled to the point of obedience, or so insane that they have to wear the flesh of their enemies to keep themselves at that level of insane.

Of course, 5th edition seems to be leaning more towards C'tan being necrons who went so crazy they needed the most awesome outfits they could find to go do the most awesome things they could do. In that case, I suppose it's possible to have less evil necrons, but considering the race that the necrons came from, being an entire race of "I HATE EVERYONE WHO ISN'T ME", ala Scrooge McDuck, it's hard to imagine them getting away from that. Maybe with a little christmas spirit that can happen (cybernetic ghost of christmas past from the future?)

for the necron fluff that i'm coming up with for my tomb world I decided to have a virus gradualy form in the crons internal memory and communications systems, thus severing any and all contact with other tomb worlds and c'tan and giving my necrons the freedom they need to wreak havaok on whoever they want, whenever they want, however they want etc.

My necrons are definetly good!!!!























Good at making soul sandwich for the All mighty C'tan!!!